๐Ÿ’ฌ Join us to post & get advice from 50,000 HOA & Condo leaders.

Create Free Account โ†’

โšก Takes 30 seconds

Already a member? Log in

WilliamC10 (California)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Hello All,

New to this forum : ) and to tell you the truth, I think HOA's are a racket. This is besides my point. I Signed papers and got a booklet of CC&R's when I moved in. However I fill like I am not getting what I bought into. The developer was forced to have an association to build and nobody does anything to enforce the rules and regulations. In fact when I was on the Board I was told that everthing we tried to enforce could not be enforeced. The rules where just Guidelines for the Community.

I since have falling alittle behind on due's , about $300.00 ( several months ) and now the want to but a Lien on my house. Isn't there a Minimum you need to be behind? I am trying to catch back up, but the late fee's every month and so on are snow balling.

There are lots more other concerns the Management Company should be looking into to get our nieghborhood back in order, Not just a quick buck or two. I feel I have been doing my part. But nobody on the Board is living up to keeping the community in shape as the are required to under the ByLaws of the CC&R's. What can be done ?
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Quote:
What can be done ?


Well to start, pay your bill.

Bills you never want to be late on (or they will stick it to you!):
- Mortgage Payment
- Car payment
- Credit card payment
- HOA payment

Quote:
Management Company should be looking into to get our nieghborhood back in order, Not just a quick buck or two.


Management company doesn't care. They only provide what you pay them to provide. If the board of directors only budgets to mow the lawn, that's all your going to get. The management company isn't going to give provide free flowers or trees, they are going to pay the landscaper to mow the lawn and go home.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
PS. If they put a lien on your house, they will typically hire a lawyer to do this. The cost of the lawyer is typically around $1200 which they can and will charge you for. So now you will owe your $300 bill and $1200 for the lawyer. And there is nothing you can do about it.

Unfortunately, you signed up to live in an HOA and this is the power they have.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
This is California Law from the Davis Stirling Act.

Associations are allowed to record a lien but may not start foreclosure until the delinquent assessment is at least $1,800 or the delinquency is at least 12 months old. Civil Code ยง1367.4(b)(2).

WilliamC10 (California)
Posts: 4
Posted:
What can be done about the Board Members not doing there duties? They have a Legal obligation as well as I do. Nobody on the Board seems to care. This is NOT what I signed up for! I wanted to live in a community that is structured, clean and organized. I just should of bought a house in Watt's. There are no services offered under our HOA.

One of our Board Members pulls over his grass on a nightly basis just to park his car. We should have all of our cars in the garages, but he has 4 outside in the driveway and street. This is just nuts and any and everybody need not to follow our CC&R's.
KatherineP (West Virginia)
Posts: 13
Posted:
I aggree - HOAs are a racket - maintenance companies I have heard nightmares about - and I've heard they simply exist for the purpose of making their lawyers, investors etc rich. They raise the rates to astronomical amounts and do nothing.

BUT here is something I've read in one of those home owner survival guides - if you accumulate fines $$S (late fees, laywer fees) - when you can make a payment (which you should try to do soon) make sure to designate it for the assessment (your dues). I believe it is only the assessment (dues) and not the fines for which they can foreclose on your house for. Also I wonder if NACA (www.naca.org) would be of assistance - they help homeowners in bad situations/bad loans (working with the banks) get loan modifications and stop foreclosures. They have had apparently a very high success rate.

Good luck
KatherineP (West Virginia)
Posts: 13
Posted:
NACA - Neighborhood Assistance Corporation of America ("NACA") is a non-profit, community advocacy and homeownership organization. I would imagine that people who are having issues paying their mortgages are also in hot water with their HOAs - you might give them a call see if they have any advice to give (www.naca.org).
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Quote:
There are no services offered under our HOA.


Well, I'm sure that is not true. You wouldn't have dues if you didn't have services.

At minimum, insurance is a service. If you want to change how your HOA is run, it needs to start with "you". Get involved, run for office, etc. At minimum you should see what your dues are paying for.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
William,

If you have a board that is not living up to their duties and responsibilities then they should be voted out of office or recalled. Get all your like-minded friends and neighbors together and take action. A board serves at the pleasure of the members!

If you are having financial difficulties and cannot meet your assessments obligations you should meet with the BOD to discuss this issue. Ask for a payment plan so you can catch up. Many board will waive the late fees once they know what the problem is. But when a member doesn't take the time to meet with the board to discuss their problem but instead just doesn't pay the monthly assessment, the board has no other option but to levy late fees. If the account continues to be delinquent month after month then the next step is to lien; after that comes foreclosure. As a former board member you should know this!

The CCRs should outline the duties and resp of the board. Check them out to see whether the BOD has a duty to enforce. My CCRs say the BOD has the exclusive right but not the obligation to enforce the covenants. Then it goes on to say that at least 10 member may petition the board to enforce a particular restriction and if they fail to do so w/i 30 days then those members may enforce on behalf of the assn.

BTW, any BOD that thinks the CCRs are only guidelines is sadly mistaken -- they are enforceable requirements that the members and the board must abide by. They are the same as state and federal laws, which I doubt any citizen would view as just "guidelines"! When you're driving down the Interstate and see the posted 65 MPH speed limit, do you just view it as a guideline?
WilliamC10 (California)
Posts: 4
Posted:
As a former Board memeber the management company has lawyers that deal with our community concerns. Most of the time they came back and Stated that none of the Guidlines could be inforced. This was my biggest frustration as a board member, we had no powers to see the community stay whole and in good condition. Myself and another both had been following all duties and tried to keep everthing up to standards when we got blind sided during an election of people ( almost all )who do not want any Guidlines to live by voted us off the board. Now see where we are at and up against. I am not having concerns with my Mortgage.

I spoke to a nieghbor and they have sent 2 lien notices and have charged him for both $110.00 each ? I did not think they could do this mutiple times. His concern is his mortgage and is going to lose the house.

Any Answers out there?
WilliamC10 (California)
Posts: 4
Posted:
By the Way,

Everybody has been very Helpful and Full of Great Information!

Thanks, for such a wonderful group of people.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
William,

If the BOD's attorney is advising them that their CCRs cannot be enforced, then, IMO, it's time to get a new attorney. This is a bunch of bunk! Unless what they are saying that some of the CCRs are in violation of state law, in which case the state law prevails and it most definitely can be enforced. All you have to do is thoroughly review your gov docs to know and understand what your powers, obligations and duties are as a BOD.

Many BODs make the mistake of turning over delinquencies to an attorney much too soon. I know of some that do this the first month the assessment is late. Once an attorney is charged with the collection, the costs to the delinquent member go up -- and up. Every time the attorney sends a letter to the member there will be a fee attached. If a lien is recorded there will also be recording fees and court costs. My BOD sends 3 notices (at 30, 45 and 60 days delinquent) before considering turning the account over to our attorney. Note that our assessments are paid quarterly, not monthly, so that being 30 days late is the same as being 4 months late if paid monthly. The last notice advises the member their account may be turned over to our attorney. Once the attorney has been given a case, the attorney fees are billed directly to the member. I believe a demand letter alone carries a $125 fee.

๐ŸŽฏ You've read this entire discussion

Join the conversation with 50,000 HOA & Condo Leaders:

  • โœ“ Ask follow-up questions
  • โœ“ Share your experience
  • โœ“ Get expert advice
  • โœ“ Access 350,000 discussions
Create Free Account โ†’

โšก Takes 30 seconds

Already a member? Log in here