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KatherineP (West Virginia)
Posts: 13
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I live in a small community where the HOA is doing an awful job - unfortunately many of the homeowners are apathetic or are afraid to do anything about it for fear of retribution. Our HOA has in fact begun sending out violation notices to people who have complained over the last year to them about various issues as an attempt to keep people from speaking out/standing up for their rights. Now I'm of the opinion that our community doesn't even need an HOA - it's small and there is virtually no common area.

I used to live in a community in another state (Maryland) with an inactive HOA that is maintained by the county (Montgomery) - aside than a few households there were very few issues and the homeowners were happy with it that way. If I could get enough other neighbors interested, I'm wondering how we could go about getting our community managed by the county.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
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Posted By KatherineP on 08/13/2010 7:53 PM
I live in a small community where the HOA is doing an awful job - unfortunately many of the homeowners are apathetic or are afraid to do anything about it for fear of retribution. Our HOA has in fact begun sending out violation notices to people who have complained over the last year to them about various issues as an attempt to keep people from speaking out/standing up for their rights. Now I'm of the opinion that our community doesn't even need an HOA - it's small and there is virtually no common area.

Katherine, there are these magical documents called CC&R’s (Covenants, Conditions & Restrictions), you know that pile of documents you got when you closed on your home. The ones you were always meaning to read but never quite got around to. In them buried somewhere should be how to dissolve your HOA; usually it will require between 90 & !00% of the homeowners and possibly their lenders voting to dissolve. Then you will have to get the county to agree to take over the maintenance and upkeep of your common areas. Good luck with that one; most HOA’s nowadays are forced on to developers as a condition to build because the local tax base isn’t up to supporting the additional infrastructure, at the very least expect the county to impose a Special Tax District on your community. Basically instead of paying your HOA dues to the HOA to fix the things required, you would be paying them to the county. Then after all of that you would have to dissolve the corporation that is the HOA.

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I used to live in a community in another state (Maryland) with an inactive HOA that is maintained by the county (Montgomery) - aside than a few households there were very few issues and the homeowners were happy with it that way. If I could get enough other neighbors interested, I'm wondering how we could go about getting our community managed by the county.

You were very lucky; if it is not done correctly and legally it has the potential to be very costly. Say everyone decides they just want the HOA to go away and they stop paying assessments and the corporation becomes inactive and the insurance on the common areas is allowed to lapse; no harm, no foul and everybody is happy. Now along comes little Johnny who thinks it would be great fun to pitch rocks into the HOA’s storm retention pond. Well if little Johnny should fall in and be injured or drown who do you think little Johnny’s mum and dad are going to sue? They can’t sue the HOA it no longer is a viable corporation and there is no insurance so they get to sue each and every member of the HOA; remember just because everyone shook hands and agreed to pretend it wasn’t there doesn’t mean you are not still legally responsible for it. The term is jointly and severally, meaning the parents can sue each and every one of the property owners and collect from them all. As Oprah might say: “You get to pay and you get to pay and you get to pay.”

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
JerrellC (Florida)
Posts: 83
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KatherineP Do you have lakes or retention ponds that are part of the common areas? Also have you looked at the origional plat of your subdivision? Did the origional developer dedicate the streets to the city or county by the language on the plat? If the streets are dedicated to the public, then they are not private and the maintenance of them must be borne by the city or county where you live. The lakes are probably part of you common areas and your HOA must maintain them. The same goes for parks were they dedicated to the public or part of you common areas. Again if they are dedicated to the public the city or county must maintain them if they are part of your common areas then your HOA must maintain them. look into this first before you make a decision to aproach the city or county with you findings. If everything is privately owned by your HOA then you are probably out of luck asking the city or county to maintain them and it will be up to your HOA to maintain them. JerrellC Florida
KatherineP (West Virginia)
Posts: 13
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There are 2 storm water management areas (one small which is typically covered in weeds - only 2 houses utilizing it - the other one about the size of a soccer field) and a few walking paths (paths have fallen in to disrepair in some areas) - that's it. Because of financial issues due to recession and a large number of foreclosures (and causing the HOA to nearly go broke), neighbors having in fact gotten together and volunteered to do maintenance on some of the path areas to save the HOA money. Issues with the swm are mowing the area 2-3 times a year - perhaps there might be a need for regrading or drain maintenance in many years but mowing is primarily it. Well I plan on consulting with an attorney, zoning department etc etc on a variety of issues including this.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Katherine,

Are you currently a member of the Board?

If not, the decision to agree to the donating of common property (which is what would be done) is typically that of the Board. Sometimes it can require a vote by the membership, but not always. Check you legal documents.

However, what I am trying to point out is, if your Board is as bad as you say they are, even if you do the leg work, the board might just not want to agree to it. My suggestion is for you to become a member of the board where you will gain additional information (like the cost to maintain, etc.) and can gather support from the inside.

Tim

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