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DavidJ2 (Arizona)
Posts: 13
Posted:
We have a spiteful and vindictive homeowner who lost his bid for electon to the board last year and has submitted a letter to the Board making false accusations of impropriety against a couple of the Board members. He says that his complaint must be noted in the minutes and attached to the minutes as a permanent record. How do you handle this situation? Does he have a right to demand they be attached to the minutes and are we required to do so?

His intent is to obtain copies of the minutes later with the attachments so he can distribute them to the homeowners in a smear campaign. Our take is written complaints could be noted briefly in the minutes but the actual complaint letter would be filed in a separate file for the HOA with other such correspondence letters that may be received.

Your thoughts?

David
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BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
i would do it your way, note the complaint received, and file the actual letter separately. I would assume you would do the same for notices from the city, etc... i would never copy verbatim a bid from a contractor, or a letter from the city, i would simply note that they were received.

However, in my HOA, all owners would be allowed to see the file/paperwork that included the letter, were they to ask/request it. It's all part of our business documents in my mind, and open for inspection by any interested owner. it just wouldn't be part of the minutes of any meeting.
HaroldS (Arizona)
Posts: 906
Posted:
You say his letter contains false accusations. Libel is written defamation. If his accusations are truely false, you need to nip this in the bud. If not addressed, he will only get bolder. Harold
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
David, he can demand anything but has no authority over the Board. I would suggest the Board consider whether or not to include the gist of his complaint as a comment in the minutes. You might like to send him a copy of this article on HimdmanSanchez web site to help shut him up.

Community E-ssentials: Sticks and Stones: Boards Need To Think Twice Before Filing A Defamation Claim
http://www.imakenews.com/ortenhindman/e_article000682631.cfm?x=b8m65qW,bnNbHpQ
HaroldS (Arizona)
Posts: 906
Posted:
Great article Roger! I have saved it. I especially like the idea that courts consider board members "limited public purpose" figures. Open Sesame! But I did not advise this board to sue. I said they should nip it in the bud. Which could be to read it at the next meeting and then ignore it. Printing complete letters from anyone in the minutes is never done and would only encourage him. Why would you want to aid & abet his campaign? Additional letters from him on the same subject should be ignored - he had his say and it would be redundant. And I would bury that letter (and any subsequent ones) in his file, not general correspondence which others might request to review sometime. Actually, where is it written that all letters received should be held in awe like a missive from God? Harold
BethG (California)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Minutes of the Association are for creating the record of the business of the Board and Board actions. What should appear in them is the record of the meeting time and place, whether a quorum was established, new business, old business, action items and motions.

Complaint letters from owners do not need to be attached and I would not recommend doing so under any circumstances. (Although I need to clarify that I am licensed in California only and not familiar with other state laws.) In California, Boards are required to give owners the opportunity to address the Board with their comments or complaints. Most Boards arrange for a homeowner forum time; some record notes in the minutes from the points raised; some do not.

As a caution, including peripheral discussions, complaints, he-said-she-said detail and such can reflect poorly and give the wrong impression of the Board and Board business, and sometimes individuals (if there is a conflict going on that involves accusations about an individual homeowner or board member). In our state most realtors request a year's worth of minutes in conjunction with an escrow demand initiated because of a sale for purchasers to review. I believe that including information in minutes that does not reflect the business of the association is not a good idea.
Beth Grimm
NikkiT (Texas)
Posts: 30
Posted:
One thing that does not seem to have been taken into consideration "Is there truth in the statements made?" Perhaps, the mention that the matter is being investigated, would go a long way in letting the person know his voice was indeed heard. Simply dismissing him as a trouble maker, only aggravates, and does not solve the problem of communication.

Example, since 1992, I, and others, have protested different illegal actions the board attempted to take. From changing our name by amending the Articles of Incorporaton stating the members had voted - when we had no say in the matter, to several sets of Bylaws they unsucessfully tried to put on our HOA.

We do not have the funds to take them to court each time. By showing my documentation to the members at numerous regularly called meeting, all but the last Bylaw document was made null and void. Our legal Bylaws state it may be amended only by 50% of the members, yet five Directors took it upon themselves to change the document (even filing it in the County Lnad Records - looks very legal), regardless of evidence and the "truth."

The name change still has not been corrected. Their own minutes, for the meeting that is referenced in the sworn statement of the State document, state outright the meeting which 'should have been the vote' didn't have a quorum and was a information meeting only. Nothing hinting a vote nor request to change the name. Their premise is "nobody's going to sue us."

To read the MINUTES OF OUR HOA MEETINGS, one would think living here was living in a paridise. That is not the case. Each meeting others (not just my voice) have protested their actions. Yet, not one word about ANY protest is mentioned in the minutes.

People that protest usually have a reason. Being known as a trouble maker in a HOA is not a comfortable place to be.

Minutes of any HOA meeting should contain everything that happened in that meeting. I do not mean that every word said be transcribed, but "A PROTEST WAS MADE" - period - does not come near communicating the issue. Now, the Board publically states the Bylaws they are using "were not voted on by the members" but is THAT statment in any of their minutes? Not, dream on. How does one protest, if we know our voice really is not heard. Nikki T.
GeraldT1 (<Not Specified>)
Posts: 519
Posted:
DavidJ2,

Beth G is correct, read, or re-read her post. The laws require that minutes of all open meetings be taken, not that the content of minutes must be verbatim. A uniform policy of information to be recorded in minutes must be followed, or created. There's nothing wrong with noting unit owner concerns/complaints. Especially if the Board response nips false complaints in the bud or addresses them for resolution.

GeraldT1
NNJ

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