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DougG1 (Arizona)
Posts: 2
Posted:
When in doubt, quote Robert's Rules to deflect critique.
HOA meetings are governed by Robert's Rules of Order first published in February 1876.

All HOA meetings should approximately follow this format of procedure.
See http://www.robertsrules.org/ or http://www.rulesonline.com/ for examples.

Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised in Brief can be purchased online from various booksellers - Paperback 176 pages List Price: $6.95 Your Cost: $6.50 Your milage may vary. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert's_Rules_of_Order
JohnM3 (Florida)
Posts: 288
Posted:
Doug it depends on the states laws........
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Also, it may depend on individual association documents. Ours say to follow RROO.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DougG1 on 07/09/2010 10:35 AM
When in doubt, quote Robert's Rules to deflect critique.
HOA meetings are governed by Robert's Rules of Order first published in February 1876.

All HOA meetings should approximately follow this format of procedure.
See http://www.robertsrules.org/ or http://www.rulesonline.com/ for examples.

Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised in Brief can be purchased online from various booksellers - Paperback 176 pages List Price: $6.95 Your Cost: $6.50 Your milage may vary. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert's_Rules_of_Order

RRO is intended to maintain order, not to be used to 'get your own way' by deflecting critique.

SHAME ON YOU
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Doug,

Some assn documents may call for RRO, but not all as you seem to imply. Usually it's up to the BOD to determine what parliamentary procedure, if any, to follow. BTW, AZ state law does not call for RRO to be followed and, frankly, I don't know that this is addressed in any state law.
RichardD (North Carolina)
Posts: 66
Posted:
Mary

NC Condominium Act 47C-3-108 c. states that unless otherwise provided for in the Bylaws, meetings of the Ass'n shall be conducted in accordance with the most recent edition of RRO. Don't know about other state laws. Richard
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Richard,

Thx for the info -- it's the first I've heard of. Of course there may be others.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Yes, as of July 1 Connecticut law requires Robert's Rules as well, unless the bylaws specify a different parliamentary procedure or unless a 2/3 majority vote to suspend the rules for any particular meeting.
DeborahB6 (New York)
Posts: 34
Posted:
There has been discussion about the use of Robert's Rules of Order in my Association as well. Nothing is stated about it in our governing documents or in NYS Not-For-Profit Law. There is a statement about following Robert's Rules in the NYS Public Authorities Law but we are unsure if that applies to us. Does anyone know?

Deborah
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
RONR is not the only parliamentary procedure for meetings. Google either parliamentary procedure or Alice Sturgis or how to conduct a meeting.

For sure the meetings should have SOME kind of order to them. There are too many circumstances that need guidance from some kind of structure.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Deborah,

I'm not familiar with NY state laws, however, HOAs are considered private corporations not public entities. IMO, the public autorities law most likely only pertains to public bodies, i.e., school boards, state legislature, co & city govts, etc.
DeborahB6 (New York)
Posts: 34
Posted:
Thank you, Susan & Mary! That is helpful information!

Deborah
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
I am curious if any of the folks here have actually seen a meeting run by RRO... not a passing wave to the rules, not a meeting where someone makes a motion and it is seconded, but a meeting where the actual Robert's Rules are used... where a motion is made, is seconded, proper debate is held with proper passing of the floor from one member to another, main motions are properly done and properly worded, subsidiary motions are done properly, proper notice is made to the chairman for rights to the floor, votes are properly recorded on each submotion, procedural rules are followed, etc..

I ask because i have never seen one.. is it just me?
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
Deborah:

In NYS condos are governed under the:

New York State
REAL PROPERTY LAW (RPL)
Laws 1909, Chap. 52
ARTICLE 9-B
CONDOMINIUM ACT

To my knowledge the authorities law has no role in the governance of such properties.
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
http://www.tenant.net/Other_Laws/RPL/rpl09b.html

Here's a link.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
brian,
Most HOA business is simple. When it gets complicated, then the board can fall back on some kind of parliamentary procedure.

I think circmstances where there are board disciplinary issues is where it is most important.

A wise president know basic RONR and runs the meeting and voting using your example.
DeborahB6 (New York)
Posts: 34
Posted:
Thanks, Jon. We didn't find anything about Robert's Rules in the NYS Condo Act-Article 9B and wondered if there was anyplace else we should look. Perhaps in NY following Robert's Rules is optional.

Deborah
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
As far as I know there is no requirement to use RR in NYS.

And IMO no real need. Our meetings are very informal and we openly discuss issues without the need to rules or standards which IMO complicate a rather simple undertaking.

If there is no mention in your doucuments feel free to handle your meetings as you see fit.
GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
A nonprofit corporation is governed (in descending order of priority) by state law, the articles of incorporation, the bylaws, and resolutions of the board of directors. Only when those sources fail to provide the answer is it appropriate to refer to "Robert's Rules of Order."

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