KB2 (Missouri)
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How do HOA's typically handle owners/tenants with dogs? Are there issues with banning certain breeds and/or restricting sizes of dogs? Any liability not having a restriction on animals?
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SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
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Dog weight is the best restriction. Say 20 lbs
PS. If you ban a breed, someone can say its a different breed and how would you disprove it? You cant.
PS. If you ban a breed, someone can say its a different breed and how would you disprove it? You cant.
GeraldT4
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Unsure what you are looking to accomplish by banning weight or size. Neither are indicative of a bad dog. Bad things can come in small packages. It's bad and neglectful owners that are the real culprits in most of the issues with animals.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
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I dont know why he wants to but.....
To me, a good reason to limit size for rentals is limiting damage to floors, minimal poop, limiting noise for other tenants peace. Typically small dogs are less of an impact.
To me, a good reason to limit size for rentals is limiting damage to floors, minimal poop, limiting noise for other tenants peace. Typically small dogs are less of an impact.
BrianB (California)
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If you ban breeds, prepare the following items in your policy
1) an exact description of the breed (for example, are you using AKC breeds, EKC breeds, EUKC breeds, etc.)
2) THe exact genetic composition of said breed to be considered a "breed". For instance, if I have a dog that looks like a cross between a shephard and a greyhound, but it has chihuahau in it, according to the DNA test that has been run. WHat percentage of DNA must be "breed" to be banned? 85% 90% 99%
3) Have every member of the board take this test.... http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html
if they fail, kick them off the board.
4) Background support on "why" the breed chosen has been banned. Document all statistics relating to your arguement (ie, if you ban for biting potential, get stats on dog bites). Have ready for the lawsuit.
Or, you can do as others suggest, and ban BEHAVIOR you do not wish to see exhibited by dogs and owners.
1) an exact description of the breed (for example, are you using AKC breeds, EKC breeds, EUKC breeds, etc.)
2) THe exact genetic composition of said breed to be considered a "breed". For instance, if I have a dog that looks like a cross between a shephard and a greyhound, but it has chihuahau in it, according to the DNA test that has been run. WHat percentage of DNA must be "breed" to be banned? 85% 90% 99%
3) Have every member of the board take this test.... http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html
if they fail, kick them off the board.
4) Background support on "why" the breed chosen has been banned. Document all statistics relating to your arguement (ie, if you ban for biting potential, get stats on dog bites). Have ready for the lawsuit.
Or, you can do as others suggest, and ban BEHAVIOR you do not wish to see exhibited by dogs and owners.
JonD1
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Several years ago I was told that under the terms of some homeowners insurance policies certain breeds of dogs were not covered as far as liability for those holding the policy.
So if you have insurance coverage read the fine print or ask if your liability in case of a dog issue would be honored or void due to the type of dog you have.
I would think if an insurance company can from an argument to not cover certains bredds of dogs a property could establish tersm as to breed and weight or behavior history to restrict dogs on a property.
So if you have insurance coverage read the fine print or ask if your liability in case of a dog issue would be honored or void due to the type of dog you have.
I would think if an insurance company can from an argument to not cover certains bredds of dogs a property could establish tersm as to breed and weight or behavior history to restrict dogs on a property.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
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If there is any breed of dog that should, or could, be banned, I vote for banning pit bulls!!!
BrianB (California)
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Posted By MaryA1 on 07/08/2010 10:55 AM
If there is any breed of dog that should, or could, be banned, I vote for banning pit bulls!!!
If there is any breed of dog that should, or could, be banned, I vote for banning pit bulls!!!
There is no such breed recognized by the American Kennel Club. So what exactly are you voting to ban?
DonnaS (Tennessee)
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Mary,
2 years ago, someone threw into the woods behind my house, 2 amazing, little puppies, starved and sickly and abused. They grew into 85 pound pit bulls, the biggest babies that the world has ever seen. Scared of their own shadows and love everything. Not a good statement coming from you.
LoriL1 (Florida)
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Our governing documents go into great detail concerning specific breeds of dogs that are not allowed on our condo property, however the problem is with enforcement. The local authorities will not remove an animal unless it is being abused or is vicious. The fact that a specific breed may have a reputation for being vicious, doesn’t mean that a particular dog of that breed is. We can fine the homeowner all day long, but that doesn’t get the dog removed and I don’t think we can have the homeowner evicted! Any suggestions on how to enforce?
BrianB (California)
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Here's one where a "pit bull" tried to pull a baby out of a bassinet and drag the poor thing outside. Completely unprovoked!
http://www.wsbt.com/news/local/Red-Cross-Family-dog-tried-to-pull-baby-out-of-burning-home-98024604.html
http://www.wsbt.com/news/local/Red-Cross-Family-dog-tried-to-pull-baby-out-of-burning-home-98024604.html
JonD1
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http://www.insure.com/articles/homeinsurance/dog-owners.html
MaryA1 (Arizona)
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Brian,
Try googling "pit bull attack stories" and see how many hits come up. Moral: you get what you google for!
Perhaps not all pit bulls are viscous dogs; but all I know is that every time I hear or read a story about a dog attacking someone (oftentimes a small child), the dog is a pit bull.
Try googling "pit bull attack stories" and see how many hits come up. Moral: you get what you google for!
Perhaps not all pit bulls are viscous dogs; but all I know is that every time I hear or read a story about a dog attacking someone (oftentimes a small child), the dog is a pit bull.
BrianB (California)
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Again, there is no such breed as "pit bull", so "pit bull attacks child" means nothing. Second, the majority of americans couldn't differentiate between dog breeds if you gave them the AKC breed standards guide, so the fact that some reporter/editor chooses "pit bull" for his leader line means nothing either. Were the dogs involved in these incidents really "pit bulls" or did they just look similar? Did we do a genetic test to see?
Instead of banning X breed of dog (which is very difficult for an HOA to determine and enforce), why not ban dogs that show the following aggressive traits or behaviors: 1) XXXX 2) YYYYY 3)ZZZZZ
Deal with the behavior, not the breed (or race, religion, gender, etc.).
Instead of banning X breed of dog (which is very difficult for an HOA to determine and enforce), why not ban dogs that show the following aggressive traits or behaviors: 1) XXXX 2) YYYYY 3)ZZZZZ
Deal with the behavior, not the breed (or race, religion, gender, etc.).
BrianB (California)
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FYI, 92% of dog bites in the US over the past couple years have been done by male dogs.
If you simply ban male dogs, imagine what a safe HOA you would live in.
If you simply ban male dogs, imagine what a safe HOA you would live in.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
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Not to worry, Brian, my HOA doesn't ban dogs. Gosh, we even have coyotes here!! 
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
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...and...and...(oh my gosh)...SNAKES
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
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ps. the typical Labrador Retreiver could be trained (with difficulty) to have 'pit bull' (ie. bulldog trained for 'pit' fighting) for breakfast
PatW5 (Washington)
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Our HOA found it too difficult to ban any specific breeds or size of dog, so instead we put general language in our House Rule Book to address the homeowners true concerns regarding more aggressive or disruptive pets.
"Residents are expected to control, or if necessary, temporarily or permanently remove any domestic pet which makes frequent, repetitive or continuous sounds which disturb or interfere with the peace and comfort of residents."
"Pets that tend to have an aggressive nature or display aggressive outbursts or behavior when unprovoked shall be subject to confinement or removal."
I hope this helps,
-pw
"Residents are expected to control, or if necessary, temporarily or permanently remove any domestic pet which makes frequent, repetitive or continuous sounds which disturb or interfere with the peace and comfort of residents."
"Pets that tend to have an aggressive nature or display aggressive outbursts or behavior when unprovoked shall be subject to confinement or removal."
I hope this helps,
-pw
JohnK11 (Minnesota)
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Posted By PatW5 on 07/13/2010 11:02 PM
Our HOA found it too difficult to ban any specific breeds or size of dog, so instead we put general language in our House Rule Book to address the homeowners true concerns regarding more aggressive or disruptive pets.
"Residents are expected to control, or if necessary, temporarily or permanently remove any domestic pet which makes frequent, repetitive or continuous sounds which disturb or interfere with the peace and comfort of residents."
"Pets that tend to have an aggressive nature or display aggressive outbursts or behavior when unprovoked shall be subject to confinement or removal."
I hope this helps,
-pw
Our HOA found it too difficult to ban any specific breeds or size of dog, so instead we put general language in our House Rule Book to address the homeowners true concerns regarding more aggressive or disruptive pets.
"Residents are expected to control, or if necessary, temporarily or permanently remove any domestic pet which makes frequent, repetitive or continuous sounds which disturb or interfere with the peace and comfort of residents."
"Pets that tend to have an aggressive nature or display aggressive outbursts or behavior when unprovoked shall be subject to confinement or removal."
I hope this helps,
-pw
I would take your second statement a step further.
"Pets that tend to have an aggressive nature or display aggressive outbursts or behavior when unprovoked shall be subject to confinement or removal along with their owner."
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