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GrantG (California)
Posts: 3
Posted:
I am a Director of a HOA in Northern California. One of the other members, in good faith, directed an association contractor to remove some lettering from an expensive entrance sign as being unnecessary, without Board approval. A dissident former board member is now threatening to go to the police and bring a charge of grand theft against the director. Some board members want to endorse the action to stop any criminal proceeding, but needed unanimous board action is unlikely because other directors are upset that the director took unilateral action. Theft hardly seems to be applicable, since the removal was something that the Board could have properly authorized. The big issue is, will the HOA have to indemnify the director under its indemnification provision? Has anyone else run into a similar situation?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,060
Posted:
Grant,

I haven't run into anything similar.

Question: Did the person have approval or authority of the board to oversee the contractor (in charge of the maintenance contracts or agreed to oversee the process and received approval)?

Either way, if the person was a Director and was acting as a Director and in good faith, then yes the board insurance would cover. If the person had the authority or the apparent authority, based on the answer to the question above, then at worst it was just a bad decision certainly not a criminal act.

Question: Normally, a simple majority of the Board is all that is needed to approve or adopt something. Why do you need unanimous approval?

Tim
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Grant, check out this post from davis-stirling.com (an attorney web site) on censuring an errant director. http://www.davis-stirling.com/MainMenu/MainIndex/CensuringDirectors/tabid/1648/Default.aspx

This might be the way to go to appease all parties. The former director is within their rights to file suit under DS but not IMO criminal charges to rectify the situation.

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SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Jeez . . you'd have to show "damages"
Was anyone hurt?

If the letters can be removed, they can be re-installed (at cost to that board member)

This is grounds for removal, but since that person did it with good intentions, you need to step back and decide if you really want to push the incident - or just replace the letters.

GrantG (California)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Thank you for the thoughts. To answer some of the questions raised, the director did have the authority to issue directions to the contractor to remove the lettering. No one was hurt in the removal process. The letters removed had more to do with the developers than the subdivision since the letters were the name of one the five different groups (levels, styles?) of homes built in the neighborhood. The letters name one of the lower priced home groups and none of the names of the other groups can be found elsewhere on any of the permanent signs. It really did make sense to remove them and it would make no sense to put them back, although the sign needs a little touch up.

The largest developer is just finishing the last of the homes, but is leaving the community with undeveloped common areas and poorly constructed infrastructure (faulty wiring, crumbling roads, defective drainage systems, incomplete fencing, etc.)that the association must maintain. The division among the members and the directors is over spending priorities. The majority of the board do not want proceed with anything more than minor improvements to the common areas until it is determined how much is needed to fix the infrastructure and how much we can recover from the developers. A majority of homeowners probably agree with this as well. The dissidents want to proceed immediately to make improvements to the common areas and not pursue the developer. An election is coming up (including the errant director) and the dissidents appear to have seized on this matter as a way to win the election and give them control of the Board. As one of the other directors likes to say, no good deed goes unpunished.

For whatever reason, one of the directors proposed the unanimous consent without a meeting under our Bylaws to confirm the directors action. IMO, the Bylaws would permit the Board to call an emergency meeting and pass a resolution (of approval or censure or both)by majority vote.

DavidA7 (California)
Posts: 179
Posted:
This is an interesting conversation. Our Board of Directors, without conducting any meeting, removed all of the potted plants (11) from the common area during repairs of the common area. Note: they repainted the common area walkway without having any BOD meeting this year to discuss and convey their plans. They discarded the plants and planters which represent approximately $500 in plants and planters investment. Some of the plants provide privacy and shade to my unit. None of the Homeowners were informed of this. Communication to the Management company regarding this addressed to the BOD have not been replied too.

1) Does the BOD have the unilateral right to remove common area plants/planters and not replace them. This definately affects the look of the property
2) Does the BOD have the right to conduct large scale property repairs without conducting any Open meetings?
3) One of the HOA members has indicated they may file police report about stolen property against the HOA BOD. Do they have any legal standing?

Thanks,
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
1. Yes

2. No

3. No

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SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Quote:
3) One of the HOA members has indicated they may file police report about stolen property against the HOA BOD. Do they have any legal standing?


You can call the police but there are consequences to filing a false police report. The police will tell you all about it when they realize the person your calling the police on is in charge of the property. This includes the plants and repairs.

Its a civil issue and not a police issue.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
David - read your bylaws about the powers of the board. Most likely maintaining the appearance and care of common areas is within their power.

Making those kinds of decisions are usually done in committee and then reported to the board and given an OK. Was there a 'plan' or work order? Was anyone overseeing the project?

Removing a large number of potted plants would have been discussed, just as what color was to be used for the paint. You need to find out where and when all this dicsussion took place and the register your concern.

KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
To the Northern California HOA officer,

If you have common areas in disrepair and lots of work to be done, including updating your signage, why in the world would you think of censuring a person who is volunteering their labor even if they move too quickly for some board members' liking? Defend this person but discuss clear communication between board members.

To me, when a neighborhood's amenities are crumbling, I look at the HOA board. I'll bet there are a majority of armchair quarterbacks/HOA directors holding meetings so they can tell someone else what they need done THEN blame the person if it's not done exactly to political protocol (or perceived protocol).

It sounds like this person did you a favor by meeting with the contractor. If other board members can do it better, why don't some of them step up and volunteer to meet with HOA vendors instead worrying about stupid resolutions that will only cost you a volunteer and may create a watchdog to watch your board's every move. After all, the finger pointing for the amenities has already started.

By the way, tell your ex-board member who wants to press "grand theft" charges to step up or get a life.
JohnM3 (Florida)
Posts: 288
Posted:
Answers are yes to all 3 questions in Florida email is considered the same as a meeting minutes but should be added to the next meeting by the president to the offical record of the bod
GrantG (California)
Posts: 3
Posted:
I wanted to let you know how we are attempting to resolve the matter. Unfortunately, governing California law is very process oriented and not very practical when it comes to dealing with complex practical issues of running a home owners association facing major challenges as a result of the current economic crisis. As much as we would like to, telling someone to get a life when it is you that failed to follow statutory procedure is not an answer that is likely to resolve the issue. Three directors (a majority of the Board) did decide that, despite the hue and cry, the issue was so minor it deserved neither censure nor ratification. So we took an alternative approach to resolving the matter. We insisted upon full disclosure to the membership of the action and the reasoning behind it as well as an apology from the director for depriving everyone (directors and members) of their right of review and comment under California law. His explanation and apology was posted and e-mailed to the membership e-mail list. Now the fully informed members can decide in the upcoming election whether or not to punish the director. So far there has been little response, but what there has been was 3 to 1 in favor of the director. We three directors hope that the members return him to office.

I have found this discussion so useful, that I have decided to start a discussion of some of the problems under the open meeting requirements of California law. I invite you all to join me there soon. Thank you for your thoughts.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Grant - it seems you solved your own dilemma.

But consider the chain of command for the incident: if this were a committee charged with overseeing all these issues, the committee may have decided to do the same thing. The action would have been taken and the committee would have taken the 'heat'. Instead, one person acted alone and made some decisions.

In both cases, the board should be notified of all actions that are going to be taken. And all this goes into the minutes. The fact that your board was upset tells me that procedures were not in effect.

Now . . . the danger of the board having to deal with EVERYTHING is that it can lead to micro-managing, and time will be spent on what color the tablecloths will be for the annual picnic instead of real issues.

Best case scenario is strong, multi-person committees - where ideas can be thought out thoroughly.

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