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KM1 (FL)
Posts: 62
Posted:
Townhome President needing ACC encroachment of common property advice and support. For approximately 30 years, the HOA hasn't had a good handle on ACC with regard to encroachments on common property, i.e. there are no applications to show request/approval of extensions and landscaping beds onto common grounds. Nonetheless, since elected for 2010, I feel I must uphold existing bylaws (current as of 2008) that state ACC forms must be filled out and approval from BOD for any exterior modifications and encroachments on common property.

Homeowner X (snowbirds) was advised (unknown to BOD) by groundsman that they could plant a few bushes in common area. They put more than what they said, plus stone beds, etc. After reprimanding the groundsman, I sent a professional and nice letter to the HO advising this was a unusual predicament, but we needed a form submitted after the fact. Advised why this was necessary in protecting interests of both HOA and HO. Received nothing, however, HO shows up a BOD meeting with neighbor, pulls chair up to BOD table and rants they should not be picked on for beautification and they declared they would be on the ACC. I was out of town at time, and the remaining BOD were so in shock.

A couple weeks later, now they have planted even more in several areas, put down more rock borders with gravel fill, and a few more bushes. Most of us admit it looks GREAT and better than the poorly growing grass before...but what action to take now? The ACC is proposing to have them pull it all up in 15 days and replant the grass or we will remove and charge them for labor. Unfortunately, we have only 4 BODs as one person moved away. I want to have a BOD unified position before next weeks meeting (sure HO and neighbor will show again to stir pot) but looks like we will be split. I HATE to make an example out of the HO, especially when prior to 2010 so many people have gotten away with landscaping that looks terrible now! But i'm trying to explain to the two directors that whatever decision we make now will set the precedence, and allowing this to stay would a) negate anyone having to fill out an ACC form in advance and b) allow others to continue encroaching and get further out of control. Plus, who is to do the caretaking when they are gone 6 months out of the year? And what if they move away and the next people aren't as yard savvy as they?

Please provide insight. This is a hard decision to nice people that have done beautiful things to the grounds, but I think allowing this would not be fair to others. Think i'm getting into a legal issue because of the past BODs not enforcing this (but still thought important enough to leave in 2008 amended bylaws)? I also welcome any creative solutions, if any!

Thank you for your time.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
I don't know, but I'm a hardass about encroachment.

They were not authorized to plant and/or install on COMMON AREA, so for my end, I would have the groundsman simply remove the encroachments and bill any costs of doing so and disposing of them to the units that encroached.

We had several instances of that in our development. In one case, the homeowner built a really nice wooden play set, in another a homeowner installed a concrete patio and placed concrete benches and tables.

We sent them a letter requiring removal in 7 calendar days or we would remove them at the homeowner's expense.

They were all gone in 5 days.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Oh, one more encroachment issue involved a homeowner extending a fence 8 feet onto the common area.

It took us 2 years to finally get the fence removed, and it was not until we carried through on our threat to file suit that it actually ended up being removed.

Total cost: $1,500, which the homeowner had to pay.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
KM, good looking or not you need to either enforce your documents of change them. We have dealt with the same issue in the past and it has cost us a lot of time and money to get rid of these ā€œbeautificationā€ projects. The H/O dies, moves or is foreclosed on and everyone else is left to pay to clean up the mess.

I’m assuming since you’re a townhome community that the HOA pays for mowing and I’m assuming that you have maybe a kid or two in the community who might move or throw one of the pretty landscaping rocks. Now imagine a mower blade moving at over 2800rpm hitting a rock where it shouldn’t be and turning it into a projectile!

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MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
KM,

If you view these members as "nice people" then I'd hate to think what you view a "not nice" person. These members have blatantly violated the gov docs after being told what the rules are; took over a board meeting and made demands and have been uncooperative from the gitgo.

The board needs to stop being afraid of exercising their authority. If the actions of these snowbirds is in violation of the gov docs then they need to be sent a violation notice. If all the board wants is a request form to be submitted then make that requirement. However, if it were up to me, I would demand that the common area be put back to its original condition. If the board is concerned to start following the CCRs, now is the time to start. In the end, it all depends upon what precedence this board wants to set -- that of a board who is not afraid to enforce the docs or that of a board who can be bullyed into doing what the member wants and bedamned the gov doc.

BTW, anymore demands to be put on the A/C committee should be met with, "Thank you but there are no openings".
DanielH1 (California)
Posts: 482
Posted:
I'm sure that I'll get a sackful of hate for this but I take a more extra-legal approach.

If somebody wants to beautify Common Areas without approval and they do a good job, they should know that the HOA has the right to rip it out at any time and they have no recourse. It's HOA property, not theirs, and they have no rights in terms of their beautification efforts.

If they do a bad job, I treat it just the same as vandalism.
KM1 (FL)
Posts: 62
Posted:
Thanks to everyone! All good perspectives validating my intent to enforce. (MaryA, I apologize - my claim the offenders were "nice" is certainly not a factor in the decision making process! All homeowners are equal.) Among ACC recommendation, and the BOD -- who per bylaws are the only ones that can approve common grounds encroachment -- the two choices come to a) immediately ordering return to orginal condition or b) asking for form to be submitted in x days and allowing the established ACC/BOD review to take place or else we remove at homeowner expense.

I asked a few, HAD the HO went through the approval process, are there PARTS of the landscaping that they would have voted as approved? Should that even matter, though? With that thought in mind, I'm wondering in what situations other HOAs have APPROVED encroachments/landscaping? My rationale is, if there are NO plantings or encroachments allowed, why do governing documents (in my experience in FL and TX) allow the BOD discretion? If the idea is to not allow any plantings or encroachments, the docs would just say that. In your experience what kind of encroachments/landscaping would be approved or why is this loophole allowed in the docs?

I do support thoughts on clearly defined enforcements. Seems best to allow NO one to do any encroachments/landscaping, because anything otherwise seems too subjective to support my case in front of the judge if a HO decides to push the envelope!

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
KM,

What board discretion are you talking about? Exactly what do your CCRs say about the common areas? My assn CCRs state that the common areas are to be maintained and managed by the BOD. This means only they would have the right to decide whether or not a homeowner can landacape any portion of a common area; that is if that issue were to ever arise. My BOD has never had to deal with type situation but then we are an HOA of single family homes. I believe this issue more often occurs in condo assns where the prop owners have very limited private areas and it's very easy for their patio area to encroach onto a common area.

IMO, even if a request had been made it should have been denied. I don't think it would be a good policy to allow any encroachment upon common area even if the landscaping plan is a nice one. I just do not think it would be a good precedent to set.

KM1 (FL)
Posts: 62
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Posted By MaryA1 on 05/15/2010 12:41 PM
KM,

What board discretion are you talking about? Exactly what do your CCRs say about the common areas?

I'm referring to the ACC bylaws which state "[ACC] Forward to the BOD any owner or resident requests for exterior modifications that are considered to be inconsistent with the overall architectural plan and design or that involve a possible encroachment of common property. These requests must be forwarded in sufficient time for the BOD to render a decision within 30 days of the original or resident request."

Perhaps my interpretation is incorrect. Seems the way it's written leaves it open for the BOD to pick and choose what they approve, since there is no other reference in the governing documents that state "no encroachments" period. Hard to tell if that is what the intent of previous BODs wanted, as they haven't enforced this landscaping thing for many years, but the problem it's presented makes me think now is the time to say enough is enough.

Personally, i'd want to move into/live in an HOA that had a strict policy of no encroachments. That way, as a HO I wouldn't be at the whim of a BODs subjective aesthetic or otherwise decisions affecting my property. I'm agreeing the landscaping should be returned to original, but appears I may be in the minority when it comes to BOD vote.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
KM,

This is no different than an appeal whereby the BOD hears the case and makes a decision. Regarding encroachments, the ACC bylaws are giving the board the authority to make the decision. In view of this, the BOD should have an adopted policy so that all cases of encroachment are handled the same way. If they do not have such a policy, there's no time like the present to get busy and adopt one. Like you, I am in favor of no enroachments -- period; however, it's up to the BOD to rule on this. If they allow this h/o's landscaping to remain they will be setting a precedent that they may be sorry about later down the road. However, as is the case with many boards who are afraid to make "enemies", they may give in to the bullying tactics of these snowbird members.
KM1 (FL)
Posts: 62
Posted:
Sounds good.

In cases where the HOA removes landscaping from common grounds, what is typically done with the materials? Leave on the HO property? Dispose of? One ACC member suggested transplanting some of the bushes to other common grounds (existing landscaping), but i'm thinking that would really escalate things further!

Sorry for all the questions, I've just never been in this situation before so want to be ready for the worst-case-scenario!
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
What to do with the shrubs, etc removed from the common area? If they are the same type shrubs planted in other areas then of course they could be used in needed areas. No one would have to know where the shrubs being planted came from. Otherwise, just have the landscaper discard them.

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