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CaryL3 (California)
Posts: 3
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There are some members requesting a translation of the by laws. Does anyone know about how much that would cost?
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
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Caryl,

Don't waste your money on a translation other than with a HOA attorney specialist. Are you saying that you want your entire by-laws translated into common, understandable English? Unless there are items that are written in legal mumble jumble, I would hope that your BOD could understand and interpret most all of it.

Thru all of the posts on interpretation of HOA documents, we have found that it starts at the State level and trickles down to association documents being written by some law student, trying to impress his mommy or new boss, with his command of legaleze language and the end results is confusion on the HOA Board level.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
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Do you have foreign homeowners who are requesting this?

There are language services that can do this. Call them and ask for a quote.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
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Yes, what exactly do you mean by "translating."

Because most by-laws give the board the ability to interpret the documents.

But if you mean "translating" as in into another language, well, there are tons of translation services available.
CaryL3 (California)
Posts: 3
Posted:
What I mean by New Translation is this....Translate the bylaws from legal mumbo jumbo into easy to read and understand language. It makes no sense to have bylaws for a community and no one can interpret it. It should not be the board's burden to explain to everyone what they're in violation of. If the bylaws are easy to understand then, we all know what we must do or not do. There will be no questions. Anyhoo, just wondering if anyone would know the cost and what service does this.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
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Are you talking about the by-laws (which generally direct how the board is elected and similar administrative items), or the deed restrictions, sometimes referred to as the CC&R (conditions, covenants and restrictions), which are what the RESIDENTS have to abide by in order to keep their properties in compliance?

Because it doesn't matter if they are "confusing" or not, it's not the board's responsibility to handhold the residents and make them understand what they are supposed to do or not do according to the contract they agreed to when they purchased their home. The homeowners should have understood the documents before they agreed to follow them.

If individual homeowners can't figure it out, they need to educate themselves however they can.

Certainly the board can hold a "seminar" or "workshop" to help explain or to help answer residents' questions about specific restrictions that may be causing confusion.

But in terms of "rewriting" the restrictions "plain language," I would not take on that as a board for any amount of money. ANY changes to the CC&Rs, including rewording to make them more "understandable," could easily cause problems and would most likely need to be voted on by the membership anyway.

PS:

Do you have a particular example of a passage or two that is causing difficulty? Perhaps you could post it here so we can see just exactly what a problem this may be.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Carl,

As Michelle has pointed out, you cannot rewrite the by-laws by one single word without going thru amending them, which would require a members vote to change. You can have someone with smarts write a handbook for dummies and simplify the by-laws but that would need to be very accurately done so as not to change any meaning of the intention of the by-law. I know what you are looking to have do because there have been numerous times here where we get into heated discussions on meaning of a single paragraph. So it is not as easy as you think to understand all of the legal crapola.
CaryL3 (California)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Thanks to all for your responses. I guess you are right about not putting things into easy to understand format. This almost reminds me of a union where shop stewards are needed to interpret the language of the contract to make sure there are no violations. The "seminar" or "workshop" thing is a wonderful idea. I just want what is best for the community.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
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One role of the board is to make sure the bylaws are able to be interpreted easily by the homeowners. If the board has problems, how do they think the general member feels?

Don't be afraid to re-word without losing their intention. Those amendments can be adopted without much fan-fare if the board just says each section is being "re-worded"

There are bylaw consultants who can help to get the legal mumbo-jumbo into understandable language.

Somone versed in Roberts Rules would also help.

MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
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Posted By SusanW1 on 05/14/2010 6:09 AM
One role of the board is to make sure the bylaws are able to be interpreted easily by the homeowners. If the board has problems, how do they think the general member feels?

It's my understanding the board is doing pretty okay with them.

GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
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We actually used to have this, sort of an HOA handbook for dummies it was about 25 pages explaining things down to about a fifth grade level but it had a disclaimer on every page:

This document IS NOT a substitute for the Declarations and By-Laws which should be read and understood by every unit owner. In the event of a conflict between this handbook and the Declaration, the Declaration/By-Laws are the controlling documents.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Glen,

Sometimes, we do take it for granted that everyone knows what those dern book of documents contain and mean. Well, we all know that most people don't understand them and basically have never read them. I agree about the by-laws for Dummies (see my above post) Covering the HOA butt with a disclaimer is important. That is why when putting together a handbook for this purpose, great care must be given to it's writting for accurate interpretation but it not that difficult to create one.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
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Posted By DonnaS on 05/14/2010 12:10 PM

That is why when putting together a handbook for this purpose, great care must be given to it's writting for accurate interpretation but it not that difficult to create one.

I completely agree. And I know you know that this is vastly different than REWRITING the bylaws or covenants into simpler, layman's language. Which should never be done without the residents voting on the CHANGES to the wording because, like it or not, the intent can easily be muddied when language changes are made. I would ensure that the new language was acceptable and that the integrity was maintained, and placing the changes before the HOMEOWNER/MEMBERS is the best way to do that.

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