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AndyF (Illinois)
Posts: 1
Posted:
I am on the board of a newly formed HOA - do we need to have liability insurance? Why?
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Yes, you absolutely need liability insurance. It is probably required in your Declaration. But more important you want protection for the association, the board, committee member, and all homeowners.

What if something happened such as losing a law suit for thousands to millions of dollars. Potentially each member of the association would be required to pay their share. Would you like it if you personally were assessed several thousand dollars, couldn't pay, and your property ended up in foreclosure?
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
roger is right...

Your HOA needs insurance, for accidents, injuries, acts of god, etc., just like any property or home or business.

secondly, your BOARD should have some insurance, in the form of errors/omissions, liability, professional, etc., whichever is best for your situation. a qualified HOA insurance agent can help assist you in determining what's best.
JohnM3 (Florida)
Posts: 288
Posted:
definitely supposed you were down here in Florida and a "Cane" comes thru adios everything. Then you also have to make sure you get enough to cover street signs, entrance features, basketball courts and last but least community pools which tv reporters love to film on from "Chopers" or if you have lakes and a certain segment of society moves in and pays no attention to there kids and they fall in the community lakes, ponds, etc.
Remember my fellow bod member ther are more lawyers in Florida alone than all of Japan,Korea,China combined and they all love to work on "WE ONLY GET PAID " if we win your case!
get the insurance
DianeW (Maryland)
Posts: 147
Posted:
This is a new POA that the developer is just transferring to the homeowners. The lawyer says that by incorporating, we do not need liability insurance. That just by being incorporated, we are insulated against lawsuits. I think this may possibly be incorrect. Comments? (Georgia)
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
lol..

ask the lawyer to put that in writing, and sign it.

then ask him to put in writing that if any lawsuit is successfully brought against the HOA, that HE HIMSELF will pay the reparations resulting from it, since he 'guaranteed' that the HOA is exempt from lawsuit.

I would bet on a world speed record on backpedalling will occur.

RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Diane, a good corporate shield should help protect Board members. I consider it as a secondary backup. Also, it doesn't protect against all liability. In other words, I totally disagree that it will insulate against all law suits.
JosephW (Michigan)
Posts: 882
Posted:
Being incorporated provides you with significant protections against losing a lawsuit, but it doesn't prevent one from being filed. In other words, the costs of a lawsuit begin building from day 1, and you have no assurance that even if you win, that the costs will be paid be either the loser or some other party. For example, let's say one of the owners decides to sue one of the board members, just one. The rest of the board could decide not to cover any expenses until the outcome, leaving the one director to fend for himself.

A- the association needs at least a general liability policy

B - the Board needs a Directors & Officer Liability policy. Get a good one, one that will cover officers, directors, committee people and other volunteers, even after they leave their position.

Here's a good article that outlines the reasons:

http://www.insurancejournal.com/magazines/west/2005/11/07/features/62357.htm

Here's one on general liability: http://www.caimichigan.org/articles/general_liability.htm

I wouldn't serve on any board that doesn't have a great D&O policy.

Joe

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WilliamM3 (Texas)
Posts: 4
Posted:
What does a HOA do when their D&O insurance is cancelled because of excessive losses? Our previous board felt that they had to sue the homeowners to get anything done. As a result they had 3 suits filed against them and the association and the D&O insurance company cancelled the policy. The new board has not found any company willing to provide the coverage.
RobinS1 (Louisiana)
Posts: 10
Posted:
I was just told the same thing YESTERDAY. The developer who is signing the neighborhood over told me I do not need to get insurance because it is a corporation and the board members cannot be personally sued, all they can sue for is what is in the account from dues. I was told this by three of the owners also at the Developers office. I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WOULD SAY THIS IF NOT TRUE. BUT on the other hand, why is it offered if you dont need it?? IM CONFUSED.
RobinS1 (Louisiana)
Posts: 10
Posted:
I was just told the same thing YESTERDAY. The developer who is signing the neighborhood over told me I do not need to get insurance because it is a corporation and the board members cannot be personally sued, all they can sue for is what is in the account from dues. I was told this by three of the owners also at the Developers office. I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WOULD SAY THIS IF NOT TRUE. BUT on the other hand, why is it offered if you dont need it?? IM CONFUSED.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Robin, if your Articles of Incorporation have adequate wording they do provide a "corporate shield" for the Board members. However, I would never serve on a Board without D&O insurance. I consider the "incorporate" shield as secondary. IOW I totally disagree with your Developer.
RobinS1 (Louisiana)
Posts: 10
Posted:
ROGER, I agree! and so does all the other board members, I personally do not want to lose my house trying to retain and add to value of the house by establishing an HOA without insurance. I have made it my priority to ignore the developers and GET INSURANCE. I think it is because he made the initial comment that he couldnt sign it over till we had insurance, and I made the comment to give more money because the start up fund wasn't enough to cover the yearly paid insurance. I think this is why he is saying we dont need it. Funny how they change their tune when you ask for more money, but he is giving us a very generous start up fund.
WilliamT (Arizona)
Posts: 489
Posted:
As Roger said, your documents most likely provide a corporate shield, or indemnity clause so the association must indemnify the board members from liability, except from cases of negligence or misconduct.

D&O insurance provides that same shield. Just as in the Bylaws indemnity section, the insurance will not cover board negligence.

The difference is that without insurance, the HOA is being self insured. That is, the HOA will have to cover the cost of all litigation out of the corporate funds. And with the high expense of defending a law suit, an HOA could bankrupt itself without insurance.

If the board did not obtain adequate insurance, and the HOA were sued and bankrupted as a result of losing the suit, a homeowner could sue the board members individually for negligence in not providing for adequate insurance, and they might win.

In my opinion, if an HOA does not have about $500,000 in excess funds (above having the reserve fund 100% funded), then insurance is necessary.

Always remember to CYA.
CandyB (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 11
Posted:
Our HOA is in the process of reviewing our current insurance policy for the entire community. In no way, shape or form would any of the Board members not have D&O coverage included in that policy. Our broker has even said that the 2 largest companies bidding for our business includes coverage for past board members. This would come into play when a resident tries to sue for incidents occurring when past Board members were in office. Articles of Incorporation do not supply sufficeint coverage, in our opinions.
LanceT (Alabama)
Posts: 121
Posted:
I am trying to follow the developer's logic in telling you that insurance isn't needed. I reckon the developer is more concerned about the property insurance than board member protection. You may want to read the property's liability insurance to see if board member protection is included. It could be or it may not be.
I know as a former board member, that other board members refused to run for office if they weren't insured. Why would you want to risk YOUR PERSONAL assets on a bad decision be it in a group or as an individual? If you voted to remove all the streets signs in the community because they were "ugly", and someone has a vehicle accident because there was no "yield" sign, they could hold you personally liable without insurance. It was your neglect and decision that made you liable and the rest of the HOA.
Typically, there is a requirement to how much liability insurance your HOA must carry. It usually starts out at $1 million dollars. Mind you that isn't the payout amount one would win or acquire. If your board was to be sued for a bad decision such as the example, there is "cap". Our insurance "cap" was at about $60K. Most likely the court system would honor that amount if awarded. It's pretty much guaranteed money for the winner at that amount versus something higher. If the court does decide to award a higher award than the "cap" then ALL the homeowner's may be responsible for raising the difference. Say the winner won $100K and only $60K is covered by insurance. The leftover $40K would have to be picked up by the homeowner's.(HOA).
I highly recommend your HOA gets liability insurance. It can be expensive in some areas. Only a few companies do carry insurance for HOA's. Our policy even covered board member's if they were in car accidents during the carrying on of HOA business. If they got in an accident going to the MC's office, our insurance would "pick-up" the difference between what the owner's insurance paid out and the cost of total damages if there was a gap. We didn't own a HOA vehicle as described in our policy, but did use our private vehicles for HOA business. This is an option you may want to explore eliminating or keeping. It was part of our insurance no matter what.
Another insurance option that is "new" and available, is "Terrorist acts" coverage. If your area was to suffer an attack from a terrorist group, this insurance would cover some of it. It's just another option for you to consider when purchasing insurance. Make sure your not under insured or over insured. In our state, if your not in a designated "flood zone" you don't have to cover flooding. That can be expensive. Unfornately, we didn't fall into a "flood zone" but have 2-4 houses that continously flood during rain storms. We finally had to contact FEMA so the homeowner's insurance could be upgraded to cover flooding. The HOA's insurance didn't have to cover it but it did allow the individual's insurance to do so.
These are typical insurance issues beyond board member protection you may face. I'd suggest reviewing the options now before setting up a long term insurance contract. Many times insurance policies get ignored for years and the coverage is lacking by the time a claim is made 10 years from now. Our clubhouse is grossly under insured by atleast $20K. Allow for inflation or other increases in expenses when deciding how much to insure an amenity like a clubhouse. It's not going to often the insurance policy is going to be changed on the HOA's part but on the insurance companies whims.
Just get insurance and set it up well.

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