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JoanneD1 (Arizona)
Posts: 447
Posted:
HELP!We have a seasonal owner who was on site for a few days and we noted a moving truck taking items from the home.Several months back, it was up for sale and then it was rented with all the proper papework as per the HOA Declarations.We assumed the home was going back on the market, but heard a "niece" was going to stay in the home.We have paperwork for "non-paying" occupants and certainly a relative could fall into that category.Upon leaving our complex, the owner said that her renter was coming and to give her the key.We have NO paperwork on record.The person comes to our gate, says she is the grandaughter and the key is given to her.Two days later, 2 movings vans pull up and because of the proximity of our gate to the busy road, they are permitted entry but asked to pull to the side while we get authorization.We have a STEADFAST rule that NO contractors(movers included)are permitted on Sunday.The trucks totally ignore the guard's request and unload and the occupant says she is moving in and could care less about our rules.She calls the owner, who by the way is 2 months in arrears on his dues, and he is po at us because this is a family friend who is paying nothing and he does not like the way we are treating her.He says he is not paying dues any more and is letting the house go into foreclosure. He owes more than it is worth. We check the rental listings and find out the agent that had their rental listing had "cancelled" it two days prior to the gal moving in. Our staff went into their daily log sheets to learn that this gal had been shown the unit about 2 weeks prior.The word "client" is written on the back of the occupant's business card. She too is a realtor.Our CC&R's are very clear about occupants obeying the rules etc. This occupant refuse to take a copy of the rules also. The owner now refuses to complete any paperwork and he is threatening to "test the HOA insurance." We have turned this over to our atty. but wonder if any of you know anything about eviction. Because the owner is delinquent, he has no write to rent and will not complete paperwork.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
From what you have presented IMHO you would have no cause to evict her. Your sole remedy is with the homeowner, if she violates the CC&R’s then he is the one responsible. Now I don’t know if AZ requires it but in OH every landlord must register their rental property with the county. Not a help to your problem but it could be an annoyance to him.

PS keep those logs in case you need them for the attorney.

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SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Quote:
is 2 months in arrears on his dues..........says he is not paying dues


Inform him if he doesn't pay his dues you will proceed with collections through small claims court which will result in a court ordered payment which could include garnishment of wages, etc... That way, even if he is foreclosed, the court will force him to pay. You don't really have to go through with it, but you can inform him of what will happen.
JoanneD1 (Arizona)
Posts: 447
Posted:
Thanks for the reply Glen and I will check that out.We are very protective of our HOA becoming a "hotel" revolving door community and this difficult real estate climate can lead to some unpleasantness for sure.We currently have an owner who is over a year late in monthly assessments.He has not paid his mortgage and the trustee sale has been pushed forward from month to month for what seems like forever and our hands are absolutely tied.HE IS AN HOA ATTORNEY so he knows how to work the system.We filed suit on him for the fees which are now over 10K penalties and fines and he has countersued us with a bunch of trumped up claims. There is no escape clause is our docs giving ill owners a pass on their fees and I don't think you can skip on taxes either.
JoanneD1 (Arizona)
Posts: 447
Posted:
Steven, Thanks for that idea.We also have another owner that has lost her property and owes us about 2K which does not warrant running up attorney fees and I actually wondered about small claims.We are currently attempting to garnish wages from another owner who owes us over $12K.This is certainly impacting our budget, not to mention legal fees. As I stated in an eariler post, be very careful when tangling with a member who is an attorney.

JoanneD1 (Arizona)
Posts: 447
Posted:
I don't know what I would do without the information I get on this site!!! I have spoken with the City Assessor's office and have been advised of a Rental Registration Law that was enacted in 2002 and it states that ANY RENTAL, HOA or not, must be registered in the state of Arizona and it does not matter for how long the rental period. I don't believe that our property manager is even aware of this and I cannot believe that this is true and all this time we have been permitting this without knowing.I am shocked.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Hi Joanne,

The reason for that law is that property taxes on rentals are about double the owner occupied rate. Also, you might want to check with the City. In Glendale the property owner must get a City business license if he choose to rent his property. The HOA cannot do anything if a property owner chooses to ignore these laws except make his life miserable by turning him in to the Co and perhaps the City.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Joanne,

Be careful about recording a judgement in Justice court. I have an article written by a Phx HOA attorney in which he say a judgment from Justice Court does not create a lien whether it is recorded or not . The Justice Court judgment must be recorded in Superior Court to create a lien on the property. AZ law outlines a specific procedure to do this. According to AZ law a Justice Court judgment cannot be recorded to perfect a lien. One benefit in transferring the judgment to Superior Court is that it can be renewed every 5 years whether it was recorded or not.

JoanneD1 (Arizona)
Posts: 447
Posted:
Mary, Thanks and I thought we did do something that involved Superior Court becasue it had more strength. Needless to say, we wish we had been advised about all the complications before we even sued the owner.If in fact they have nothing to get and are upside down on their home, this was all a waste.We have monitored the atty closely and have gotten some credits back because they did not pay attention to information that was given them and just ran up a bill. For example, we had a guard that tried to file a discrimination suit and the HOA atty started gathering all kinds of data when in fact, IF YOU DO NOT EMPLOYEE 15 employees, they cannot file a claim with the state. When it was given to the HOA insurance and their atty, one letter took care of the whole problem.I asked the atty why the first question to us wasn't how many employees do you have and they gave us a credit. In another case of an owner who we are trying to garnish wages, the atty said that they didn't know he was self employeed and Thank God I have the email to prove to them that they were given the information months before and then we got another credit, but who wants to have to babysit all this junk?
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Joanne,

I know who your attorney is and I'm surprised. You know he's the largest HOA attorney in the State?

Our attorney provides the BOD each month with a detailed summary of the collections actions taken. She does a credit check on each member turned over to her for collections and also provides the board with the info gathered from this. It's interesting to see what the credit status is for the delinquent members. You would be surprised at how many have perfect credit; the only thing they aren't paying is the HOA assessment! Go figure. . .
JoanneD1 (Arizona)
Posts: 447
Posted:
Mary, I am so disgusted with everything that is going on in the country, that having this go on in my own neighborhood makes me crazy and I am more than ready to make someone's life miserable for not being honest and forthright. I believe that the HOA might rewrite the rental rule to include proof of registration with the state, city and county. Whatever it takes! Now we have this occupant that we need to evict and that is going to be a mess too. She is a realtor and has lied about her relationship to the owner and I think the AZ Board of Realtors might find that interesting! Can you tell I have had it? I am encouraging the Board to do some kind of deposition with all parties so that all the other owners know we mean business on who is coming in our gate. We pay over $400 per month to be "secure" and this doesn't make the grade when you don't even know who lives here.

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