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JohT (Florida)
Posts: 3
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Hi, Mr JA was a board member in a senior mobile home park in St-Petersburg Florida from 2002 thru 2008, acting first as secretary, then president from 2004. In 2008, a new owner decided to join the board and wanted Mr. JA’s place as president. She got elected by going door to door, giving out her resume (lawyer in Quebec, Canada, participated in an association for the defence of elders, etc) and by telling people that the president and directors were doing things that were not legal and she could help manage de association in a better way. She was elected by only a couple of votes and Mr JA was not.

Mr JA, always a gentleman, wished her good luck and offered his help. He is very optimistic and trusting. He always believes that people, like he, are acting in good faith. He never suspected that hell was about to break loose.

Since then, she has being doing an audit, herself, going back to 2003 is seems. She found some so-called "evidence" of wrong doing, and has been intimating, bullying, and pushing all residents to shun Mr. JA and other directors from the previous board... Her evidence: Mr. JA and the other board members spent about 2200$ to repair and clean some mobile homes that were sold or donated to the HOA. After the cleanup, the board was able to rent the units and revenues were about 14,000$ which is a good profit, but... he allegedly paid a person for some of the work that was not suppose to receive money because she is Canadian.... a mistake, even if receipts were signed for everything . To date, that is the only “tangible” thing she has (receipts). The board tried suing the person who received the money last year, but it did not work. Now, the board is suing Mr. JA ... This has been going on for two years : she and her supporters are going around telling everyone that Mr. JA is this and that, like accusing him of purchasing items (computer, pressure washer, etc) and giving the items to his "friends", which is false (he has proof and witnesses), that he made risky investments for the HOA, and lost over 35,000$ in a bad investment, which is false and he has recent copies of bank statements proving otherwise . During the time Mr. JA was on the board, the total asset value of the HOA increased by more than 20%.

Since she was elected, all the other old board members left the board; in all, as fas as I know, there has been 13 new board members or appointed director since she has become president. Because of the rollover, nobody really knows how the board works, the laws and regulations, etc. Most of the present board members were appointed by her, or were elected in March 2010, so they do what she says.

She wants things to go her way only and if anyone disagrees with her either she says that the issue is stated this way in the by-laws and regulations (always interpreted to her advantage) or that she will seek legal advice. Since this is a senior park and people are retired and do not want to deal with complicated issues, they often retreat and do not pursue the matter further.

She has less and less owners on her side, and her bullying is getting the better end of residents. Normal activities are cancelled, or attended only by a certain group of people, people are walking with their heads down, do not know who to trust, etc. The value of homes is going down because many homes are for sale...

To make things worse, the owners in this park are in a large majority Canadian, and the board members are all Canadian (as far as I know), so there are no meetings from April to November. The 12 units that are for sale should be sold to Americans, but owners are not allowed to advertise, so the units are sold mainly by word of mouth.

The problems :

Mr. JA’s reputation is tarnished by all of this. He is a valued and trusted citizen by all his friends and family. But people who do not know him personally, have read things about him : the money “lost”, the “gifts” he paid to his friends and everything else on the bulletin board (because the board published these allegations and left them on the bulletin board for 3 weeks and they discussed these allegations in the last open board meeting).

Mr. JA has received 6 letters from the board’s lawyers since 2008, but he has not been charged with anything yet other than paying money to a Canadian citizen. He has replied to all of them, supplying the requested information and denying all charges of wilful wrongdoing, but the menace and allegations are not stopping. The president told the attendance at the last board meeting (attended also by the board's new lawyer - the old lawyer was in favour of Mr. JA) that they will continue to investigate the old board's actions/decisions because of suspected wrongdoing and stated a list of allegation. Mr. JA did not attend this meeting because some residents told him that it would be his "trial".

I suggested they recall, but nobody wants to take on the responsibility... many are leaving soon to go back to Canada for the summer...

I told Mr. JA that he needed a lawyer, fast, and to sue the board for harassment. But he and his wife are not rich and Mr. JA does not want to incur more expenses for himself and he also would like to resolve the situation quickly (suing is a long process). He also thinks he can resolve this problem like he always did : by communicating and discussing and finding an appropriate solution.

I also think the anguish of the long "trial" could get the better of his mental and physical health. He’s in his 70’s. The stress and anguish is also making his wife sick and she stays at home most of the time. Mr and Mrs JA are not ready to sell; this has been their home for over 15 years.

Sorry, it is a long story, and I thank you for reading it all, it did me good to write it out.

Do you have any suggestions ?

Anybody (over 55) wants to buy a mobile home in this park ? They need new members for the board, next elections are in March 2011 and the President’s position is up for election, I hope she will not be re-elected, but if not enough people present themselves for election, she will be appointed again for 3 years! What a nightmare!

SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
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Mr. JA has received 6 letters from the board’s lawyers since 2008, but he has not been charged with anything yet other than paying money to a Canadian citizen


The lawyers are sending him letters because they are being paid to do so by the new president. Letters from a lawyer does not mean your being sued or charged with anything. He can just ignore the president and her lawyers if he wants. If they had something they would have taken action 2 years ago.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
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I don't understand the statement that residents aren't allowed to "advertise" their units for sale.

Do you mean at all, or simply by way of a For Sale sign?

Does that mean that someone cannot use a realtor?

That is a bit confusing.

But I don't think MrJA has anything to worry about. The people who know him, know better. The people who don't, well, they aren't in his circle of friends anyway, right? So what's the problem?

I think we've all been in situations in our lives where people have spread misinformation or rumors or tried to make us look bad to others.

My advice each and every time is: Let your reputation speak for itself. If one continues to operate and act in an upstanding and ethical manner, that will communicate considerably more than trying to get into it, in a potentially public way, with someone who is also showing his/her own true colors.

This woman is clearly going to have a lot of fun with the proverbial rope . . . that will eventually hang her.

I would let it play out.

Regarding the attorney, SteveM hit the nail on the head.

MrJA has provided all the documents requested; if there were a criminal action, or even a legitimate civil one, to be sought, it would have made it to court by now.

But it still wouldn't hurt to speak to an attorney. He doesn't need a lot of money or deep pockets, and generally a first consultation is either free or very inexpensive since no real "legal work" is generally done at a first meeting.

PS: Can someone point me to language anywhere that states it's illegal to pay a Canadian citizen for work and/or services performed or materials received?

JohT (Florida)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Thank you for your comments and suggestions. It is comforting to know that there are still some intelligent, responsible and mature people in this country.

To answer your questions :

Advertising : they are not allowed to have a "For Sale" sign. But residents believe, because that is what they are told, that they are not allowed to use a Realtor or even, in some cases, to advertise locally.

I spoke with Mr JA last night. He says he will wait another week to decide if he will seek legal advice or not. I will give him the link to this post Tonight. He does have many supporters, but most will not display any friendly signs openly, because they do not want any problems with the board if they need to deal with them in the future.

As for the payment to the Canadian : I do not know what is legal or not. I think that she has to declare her earning to the IRS (which is her responsibility, not the HOA's). If somebody knows, please reply...

Thanks again
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
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As to the payment if it's over a certain amount the HOA has to give them a 1099.

As to ignoring the letters from the attorney, that depends on what they say. If it is something like: This is an attempt to collect a debt and if you don't respond in 30 days you are admitting it is a valid debt and we will begin the collection process. Anything with a deadline of some type should not be ignored.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
JohT (Florida)
Posts: 3
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Thank you Glen, I will verify for the 1099...

One of the 6 letters was an attempt to collect the amount (2200$), they gave him 30 days to respond and said that they would take appropriate actions... including the recording of a lien and the filing of a foreclosure action...

Mr. JA responded to this letter with a reply stating that he refuted all allegations. That the claimed amount is an accumulation of many payments that were made over a period of two years, that the expenses were incurred during the daily activities by the administration.

He also included a statement to the effect that the Association was liable for the legal expenses incurred by a former Director of the Association, as per their BY-LAWS page 2 Art. IV. and the present legal procedures against him and the Canadian citizen were illegally initiated by the present Board as there was no prior approval by the majority of the Board of Directors at a duly held and noticed Board meeting.

What worries him is the fact that he has not received anything else since his response, but the present board is still "working" on finding proof of wrongdoing (related to bad investment allegations, purchase of missing items, etc). He would like to think that everything will be ok, but he could receive another letter anytime... He knows he did not do anything wrong, but it is like having the Sword of Damocles hanging over his head...

GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
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Joh, last year I got contacted by some bottom feeding collection agency attempting to collect for a debt allegedly incurred in 1987. It was only by responding promptly and using the Fair Debt Collection Act (not applicable in this case I don't think) to beat them over the head that was I able to make them go away.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Joht,

Well, if we look at the big picture over time and conclude we have an anti Past President fraction and a pro past president fraction. If all these folks walking around with their head down feel sorry for the Past Preesident but are afraid to speak up, then, let them and you get together and repay this gentleman for all he has given your association. It doesn't sound as if the money in contention is huge, get a war chest and buy this new kid on the block off. As least make an effort to and if the courts get involved you all will have shown your appreciation and put your best foot forward. It is important to show the court, if necessary, you all are willing to put this behind you and get on with community involvement in making a better association. Make that your goal............a better association, mend some fences, clear the books and move on and if you all don't like the new kid on the block, vote thewm out, you voted them in.
Will this be work............yes.

MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
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Posted By GlenL on 04/12/2010 10:38 PM
Joh, last year I got contacted by some bottom feeding collection agency attempting to collect for a debt allegedly incurred in 1987. It was only by responding promptly and using the Fair Debt Collection Act (not applicable in this case I don't think) to beat them over the head that was I able to make them go away.

Good point, Glen. People are finding out the hard way that ignoring a way old "debt" has gotten them into serious trouble.

This is a new scam by debt collectors. They dig into old files, claim that the debt from as far back as 10 years ago is owed, then, when the person doesn't respond because they KNOW it was paid off, the collector gets a judgment and can then attach against current assets. The judgment stands, even if the debt was paid off decades ago, because the person did not show up in court to prove it.

It really also depends on the statute of limitations in your state for the collection. But it's been happening a lot.

Also, if you deny the debt, do it in writing, possibly by certified mail.

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