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JohnM3 (Florida)
Posts: 288
Posted:
We are contemplating going the route of reverse foreclosures a Judge in Dade County has approved that type of foreclosure. Has any body did any thing of that nature in Florida yet?
Jack
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
John, Glad you posted this question. I would assume this is that ploy the Association uses to be able to deny any lien on a foreclosed noticed property, thus forcing the mortgagor (bank) to claim ownership and thus, making them pay their assessment fees.
There has been several posts but as far as I know, none from the horses mouth, so to speak.

Your post should be of interest to many in Florida any anywhere else. Our association doesn't have the problem yet........and I am trying to find out specifics that would serve the Board, and allow for some framework to be installed explaining procedures.

If you should know more, please post it.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
This was an interesting article on Reverse Foreclosures

Thursday, March 18, 2010
Reverse Foreclosures: Practical New Association Weapon or Marketing Ploy?
The recent news regarding the benefits of a Reverse Foreclosure can be misleading unless an association carefully weighs what steps are necessary in order to argue that a Judge should require a bank to take title to a property. In order to proceed with a Reverse Foreclosure, an Association must initiate a foreclosure action and successfully acquire title to a delinquent owner’s unit or home. Once the Association acquires title, if there is a pending lender foreclosure (this is a key point, you can’t force the bank to initiate a foreclosure), the Association in what has become known as a reverse foreclosure, may attempt to file a Motion requesting the Judge to require that the lender take title to the unit or home.

This begs the question that if the Association has already fought a long battle to acquire title to a unit or home, why spend additional money on attorney’s fees and costs to head back into to court to force a bank to take title? The Association has already gone through the foreclosure process, which resulted in the acquisition of title. At that point, the Association is usually better off trying to recoup the costs of the foreclosure and past due assessments by renting out the property. It is no surprise that banks today are in no rush to foreclose on delinquent owners, so renting out the property presents an opportunity to bring the account current and perhaps, after time, even make a profit. Rest assured that the bank will eventually get around to taking title back to the property but in the interim, the association can control it and rent it out.

In certain circumstances, renting out the property may not be feasible given the property’s condition; one must still keep in mind that attempting a reverse foreclosure is not a guarantee that a judge will actually grant this order. While a judge in Miami-Dade has recently approved such a measure, other judges may not and, in addition, to the past due assessments that are still owed on the property, the association may wind up owing attorney’s fees and costs on an unsuccessful Reverse Foreclosure motion.

A reverse foreclosure attempts to provide a solution when a simpler avenue might be available to hasten the bank’s acquisition of title. If there is a pending lender foreclosure that has been drawn out, the Association, as a Defendant, may attempt to hasten the bank’s acquisition of title by filing a Notice of Trial, which will force the case to judgment, and often leads to the mortgage holder taking title. This can be done during the lender’s foreclosure and does not require the association taking title itself via foreclosure.

The moral of the Reverse Foreclosure story? Every potential avenue for relief for struggling associations should be discussed thoroughly with your association’s attorney but bear in mind that some of what is being written bears little practical benefit for most associations but makes for a good story!!
Posted by Donna D. Berger, Esq. at 9:18 AM
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
JohnM3,
Here's another article. This is still new at least for this use. According to what you read, it can be simple or complicated. Little out there I can find, some talk about it in CA. But the case is mentioned here for the Dade county one, and only I can find.

Robert has sent you the following story:

Posted on Sunday, Mar. 07, 2010

Desperate condo, homeowner associations thrown a lifeline
By RACHAEL LEE COLEMAN

Revenue-starved condominium and homeowners associations struggling to keep the taps running and the lawns mowed have found a novel way to squeeze money from units that don't pay what they owe.
It's called a reverse foreclosure, a tool that can force banks to pay association maintenance fees when unit owners don't.

It's a way for associations to halt the decline that begins when one owner quits paying maintenance fees, followed by another, then another, forcing a reduction in general maintenance, driving down property values even more, and leaving a community riddled with vacancies and vandalism.

Read More...

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RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Forgot, this is a Miami Herald Article.
JohnM3 (Florida)
Posts: 288
Posted:
No Richard the problem is Florida law here is the law for a HOA in spite of liening a member for past due assessments the game played in Florida is issue a Lis Pendens and then never go to public sale that way they win an all others loose because Fl Law Chap 720 amend states you can only collect past due assessments in the amount of 12 months for a HOA or 1 percent of the mortgage ( our homes are selling at 125,000 ) an many house in my hoa fall in that mess. meaning anything after 12 months is thrown away by the banks. By foreclosing in reverse we atk e title an hand it to the Bank with a bill you owe us x amount of money. It has been tried once that I know of an was allowed by 1 Judge in Dade County so far......looking for more cases. cant rent them out as who in their right mind rents a home with the expectations that any time a bank wants they can force you out on the street.........................hence the name reverse-foreclosure
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
John,
We have had this conversation on another thread months ago about the HOA (any kind) renting property. One poster said it has worked for them, FL, I believe. My personal observations of Boards is that:
1) There are no two alike, ditto for association
2) The question of liability on the association looms large but it is said, good insurance takes care of that.
3)I just don't think association have the organizational structure to be a Landlord.
4) How do you account for the income, that means taxes and filings and records and unit inspections and how does the management cope with rule infractions of the unit/s. Does this create a conflict of interest?
5)Given that a lot of associations are ruled by absentee Homeowners, it appears this just opens another crack for stuff to fall through.
6) Anymore anyone wants to add.

I have googled this subject a few times and wish I could do a better job of searching. All I can find is the one reference you mentioned. I did run across a short mention of an inquiry to a talk site in CA. No decent responses. I would like for our Board to give this some serious thought and rough up a draft to incorporate this process into our documents. This will require some legal advice and some state guidance......may or may not be forthcoming. The newspaper article are both positive and negative as you know. I like to think this offers some relief for these troubled associations, surely they deserve it. Our association, so far, is one of the lucky one.
JohnM3 (Florida)
Posts: 288
Posted:
I dont think you understan why an how we are doing the reverse foreclosure we are useing it for 1 reason only . To force the banks to take title to the unit to force them to pay up before we end up with a huge bad debt for the HOA.................the rest was examples of what we kicked around an found it lacking. To the best of my knowledge Floida is the only state with a 12 month cap on hoa assessments
Have a great day we have no intention to become landlords its just too much trouble.......................an opens a box of worms

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