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LauraW4 (Colorado)
Posts: 16
Posted:
I live in a community of 225 homes, we have had a functioning HOA for 10 years- this past year at our annual meeting three positions were open on the BOD, three people were elected to fill the vacancies, however, after this vote was concluded it was learned that one of these people were not a homeowner and therefor not elegible to be on the Board, since that time, and in direct conflict with our bylaws, the board has operated with only six members- they are making changes to contracts and bylaws and covenants- I am thinking this is not a "legal" Board, now the Board wants to appoint someone of their choosing to the spot- our Bylaws say if a Board member is removed "for cause"- then a community vote is to be taken, how do we as homeowners, make sure this happens? What is our recourse? If the Board then states that the position was never filled because this person wasn't eligible, according to our bylaws- then the election never was finished- doesn't this also mean a community wide vote must be held to fill the vacancy? there are 5 people who expressed interest in the position.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Because your not on the board and you have very specific questions that apply to "your" association it sounds like you need to have a conversation with your board. You need to visit the next meeting and ask questions or write a letter with your concerns.

Your board may have valid reasons that you are not aware, then again, maybe not. But you'll never know without communication.
LauraW4 (Colorado)
Posts: 16
Posted:
I was on the Board for the past three years- mine was one of the positions up for election, we have 3 year staggered terms, at wich time you must go off the Board for one year- I have written the Board president and the rest of the Board and not gotten a response other than we can do it if we want to- which is in direct violation of the Bylaws- I have raised the point and since that time no one has responded- I would love to attend a Board meeting, but all that is ever posted on our web site is the date and time of the meeting and the name of someone whose home it will be in- no address, etc
but again, my questions would be;
1. Is this even a Board that is legal- our documents state that there must be a minimum of Seven Board members- there haven't been seven members since 12/31/09- these six people are now in the process of changing legal documents - our Bylaws and Covenants- without any kind of community voting
2. In accordance with our documents if someone is removed for cause- which not being a homeowner is certainly 'cause" then a community wide vote is to be taken and these people are refusing to do this or respond to questions regarding this
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Laura,

I would say, yes it is a legal board and they have the autority to conduct the business of the assn. If there were only enough candidates running to fill the vacancies, then the board should have the authority to appoint the 7th board member. Your bylaws should spell out the procedure to fill vacancies on the board. However, if there were more candidates than vacancies, then the person who had the next highest number of votes should be seated. A community-wide vote has already been undertaken, IMO, another one is not needed.
LauraW4 (Colorado)
Posts: 16
Posted:
Thanks for the information, per our governing docs- " executive board shall be elected by members at the annual meeting by written ballot..." This never happened-
we had enough people run,in fact there are 4 people who still would like to fill the seat- the person put in place was not a homeowner- not eligible- so she was removed for "cause" two months later- per our by laws any Board member's position that has been removed for cause-" there must be a written vote of at least 67% of members at a meeting where quorum is present-" as for the vote at the annual meeting no numbers were ever posted as to who got how many votes-
so that's why I am questioning the thing- was the purpose of the annual meeting ever met? well, the budget was ratified, but the election wasn't concluded- only 2 positions were filled correctly- and since the ballots are long gone and numbers never released- how are we as homeowners to know who truely should be on the board?
We now have a president who would like to be the only voice of the ARC committee, which , again, is against the by laws,who is instituting her personal agenda, changing our governing docs without calling for a vote from the Community- these things are frankly, a little scary to most of the homeowners- When concerned HOs have asked questions we have found that she will not reply to questions put to her on a mirad of issues- won't answer letters, emails, or phone calls- it is a very disturbing situation
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Well,
Let me throw this out. They have 200 plus homes, vacancies occur in the Board due to term expiration. The Board set the slate for election, seems plausible,
the board is to vet the candidates before they put them on the slate. Elections were held to elect three new members. How many candidates was on the slate? any write-ins, any nominations from the floor. Day of election the votes were vetted and counted? The Board proclaims the winners and the three with the most votes wins and is seated. Then someone says one electee is ineligible. Does this invalidate the whole election, Seems to me it does.
The votes made their choice based on the slate........all of it. Would they make the same choice if there had been a different person on the Board.

I think Laura has cause for concern, but she is not going to beat city hall, and she probably knows that. I would suggest she nose around and see what the prevailing sentiment of the membership is with regard to this election. The other legal question might be: How can you claim a person was replaced for cause when he was never a legitimate owner to begin with, hence, never a board member. If this last is a legal question, it could be that Laura may not be off the Board because her position was never filled by an election.
LauraW4 (Colorado)
Posts: 16
Posted:
yup- you got it- see why I am confused and concerned? I would love to have a lawyer from Colorado weigh in on this.....
DanielH1 (California)
Posts: 482
Posted:
Your real question is: "How do I force an errant Board to follow the Bylaws, etc.?"

If you are lucky, your county allows you to sue in small claims court to enforce such actions. You will have to pay all the fees yourself, prepare your case yourself, show up to all court dates and convince a judge to intervene. If you are unwilling to put in the effort, nothing will happen.

Otherwise, your only option is to hire a private attorney at your own expense and sue in "real" court. If you are unwilling to pay, nothing will happen.

Most states have no ombudsman or other mediator to force HOAs (or other organizations) to comply with their own Bylaws, etc. Of the states that do have them, I've consistently heard that they are powerless or do nothing.

You can complain in this forum, print out all the supportive responses and show them to your Board. That is doubtful to work.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DanielH1 on 03/31/2010 10:09 AM

Otherwise, your only option is to hire a private attorney at your own expense and sue in "real" court. If you are unwilling to pay, nothing will happen.

Well, there IS one other option available to her.

She can begin her campaign RIGHT NOW to run for and win election to the board next year.

She only has to sit out one year.

In that year she should aggressively be campaigning not only for VOTES, but for additional board members to run with her to pick up some allies on the board when she gets elected.

Best of luck to you, and don't give up.
DanielH1 (California)
Posts: 482
Posted:
Unless I miss my guess, elections will be tainted or never properly held.

If her Board really is errant, they won't let elections get in their way.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Daniel,
Your question about errant (or worse) boards is a good one. Of course the question remains what do you do about it. More specific what does the OP do about it. I can see where my reply has no solutions to the moment, other than, maybe, define the situation a little better.

The fact seems to be if some action is not taken, no action will be taken. And IF the board is errant any action suggested will be ignored.

MichelleD says wait until you can step up to the bat. Next election.
Prepare for the fight during the year. Well, that's a good idea, but do you proclaim your unhappiness and give notice, do you go to the present board and try to get something noted in the record about this past election? Do you set up a townhall meeting and see if support is there?

Tough questions for the OP, are there other considerations? Yes, I am sure, but we don't know them and won't know them, probably.

That is why I think the errant Board question is so important and has to be considered in many posts we get here. Not that we should assume all board complaints carry the label of errant board.

DanielH1 (California)
Posts: 482
Posted:
I agree with Robert: lots of forum posts do devolve into how to control a Board that ignores Bylaws, elections and the law. If we developed a solution for that, we'd probably solve a lot of problems.

I'll also grant that we get a lot of stories with only one side: the poster's side. There is usually a fairly simple initial post and then a later post reveals a series of punch-and-counter-punch exchanges between the poster and the Board. Instead of being a fencing bout, it turns out to be an Old West bar fight with everybody throwing chairs and empty guns at each other. The poster's facts and impartiality become doubtful.

Perhaps winning the next election will fix the problem. Perhaps a recall will fix the problem. Perhaps small claims court or civil court will fix the problem.

But, it seems that we often waste the poster's time. Elections and recalls are long and ultimately can be ignored by the Board. Nobody's crazy or cares enough to sue in court and, even if they win, the court's decision is a piece of paper that a Board can just ignore.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DanielH1 on 04/01/2010 11:04 AM
Unless I miss my guess, elections will be tainted or never properly held.

If her Board really is errant, they won't let elections get in their way.

I disagree. She paints a board that is probably just stupid.

If she and her additional nominees have enough votes, then the board will show it's true colors then. At which point the situation escalates to the recall etc.

But there is no reason to jump to the worst-case scenario at this point. I would try my way first.

And it would be prudent and in her best interest to begin the campaign NOW instead of waiting close to the election. That is generally where a lot of people trying to get on a board make their first mistake. They need to develop a long-term strategy for meeting residents, asking questions, offering your platform/potential solutions and asking for the sale. . . . obtain their proxy.

That takes hard work, sure, and it will take some time, months actually, but that's the better way to ensure you have enough votes.

Then if the board trashes the election or behaves in an otherwise unethical or illegal manner, there are courses of action you can take.

I would not sit on my hands till the next election to find that out.

I would be proactive right now.

Just sayin'
LauraW4 (Colorado)
Posts: 16
Posted:
Thanks for alll the responses- still haven't heard from any legal people familiar with Colorado HOA law- read through our meeting minutes from the annual meeting- the one where the community was to elect 3 people to open positions on the Board by "written secret ballot"per covernants and guidelines. As it turns out, only one person actually got any votes, and this by a show of hands, not per ballot as stated in governing docs- one person on the ballot was not a homeowner, but got put on the ballot and voted in by a show of hands anyway, totally against our gov. docs, one person was not at the meeting, so the BOD said in the minutes, " we didn't want votes for him taken, we are asking him to come to the next board meeting and we'll interview him and see if we want to ask him to be on the board." Seriously, this was in the minutes of the annual meeting, and two other people had submitted "resumes" to be on the board and were never contacted or put on the ballot. I have asked the Board since December 09 about this and have never gotten a response- have gone to the past Board meeting, 8 months of not hearing from the Board - a little ridiculous- and repeated my questions, and was told I was being "nit pickiy, we never heard of those rules, we don't have time to read all the covenants, we shouldn't have to know all the rules,etc." I recorded the meeting and was amazed at the answers I received- then the Board said I could set up an appointment with the HOA attorney and hash it out with them-I am really concerned- the oard seems not to care what the covenants are - so from this experience I guess if I were to get the required 16 signatures to remove them from office- would they even listen to that? Who would I take it to if that was ignored, our management company? If they are so ignorant and non caring about the gov. docs- can we even remove them??
LauraW4 (Colorado)
Posts: 16
Posted:
As an aside- Colorado has adopted 2 new laws 1/2006 Senate Bill 100 and 4/2009 HB 09-1359 that both stipulate voting of the exectuvive board members be by secret written ballot and they can not themselves vote into office board members- only can appoint people to open positions due to resignations- so how do we get this board to comply?
LauraW4 (Colorado)
Posts: 16
Posted:
As an aside- Colorado has adopted 2 new laws 1/2006 Senate Bill 100 and 4/2009 HB 09-1359 that both stipulate voting of the exectuvive board members be by secret written ballot and they can not themselves vote into office board members- only can appoint people to open positions due to resignations- so how do we get this board to comply?
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
Hire an attorney .... or sell and move.

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