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FranD (Georgia)
Posts: 102
Posted:
I can't seem to find in our Covenant/By laws anywhere that states you can't vote if you are delinquent not paying dues, with a lien etc. We just had a meeting and voted on changing Vendors on lawn maintenance and these members voted. Are they invalid votes? What rights do delinquent members have?
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
FranD,
Think about how hard it would be for a Board to decree if you owe money, you lose your right to vote. There are restrictions that the Board can do if covered in their document but I suspect not allowing them to vote is not one of them. You can vote if you are in prison in local and general elections, suppose one of your owners was delinquent and he happened to be fighting in the armed services?

This owner is still a share holder in any common property, big time in a condo, maybe a little in a HOA. Your documents list the rights of all owners, not the rights of delinquent owners. Delinquent owners may be restricted from using common property if documented, because the use of those facilities are enforced by the Board. The vote is established at purchase and is not a board decision. If the member posed a threat to the association which also means the members the Board can provide that local police carry out the law of the land.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Fran, if your governing documents, usually the Bylaws, do not state that delinquent members may not vote, then they have the right to vote. Also, delinquent owners always have the right to vote on amendments to the Declaration of CC&RS.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Fran,

If it's not in your governing documents, then the individual would be allowed to vote.

My documents cover this in the Articles of Incorporation. It is also restated in a policy resolution concerning collection of assessments.

Tim
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Posted By RobertR1 on 03/30/2010 12:41 PM
FranD,
You can vote if you are in prison in local and general elections, /div>

Robert,

It actually depends on the crime, as voting in America is considered a privilege and not a right. People with felony convictions forfeits this privilege (but it can be restored). [my civics teacher would be surprised I remembered this].

Tim
GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
FranD - My governing documents state that only members in good standing can vote. In order to be in good standing the owner must be current in maintenance fees and given an opportunity through proper notification to pay. It is not out of the ordinary for Associations to have this kind of policy and to restrict those owners not in good standing from voting.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RobertR1 on 03/30/2010 12:41 PM
FranD,
This owner is still a share holder in any common property, big time in a condo, maybe a little in a HOA. Your documents list the rights of all owners, not the rights of delinquent owners. Delinquent owners may be restricted from using common property if documented, because the use of those facilities are enforced by the Board. The vote is established at purchase and is not a board decision. If the member posed a threat to the association which also means the members the Board can provide that local police carry out the law of the land.

Robert it also depends on what the applicable law allows. In Ohio the condo statutes state:

5311.081 Powers and duties of board of directors.
(18) Suspend the voting privileges and use of recreational facilities of a unit owner who is delinquent in the payment of assessments for more than thirty days;

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MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Fran,

Even if your docs do have that clause, it would be dependent upon how it is worded as to whether or not the member "could" vote. If it says the board "shall" suspend the member's voting rights then the voting rights MUST be suspended. If the member votes anyhow, their vote would not count. However, if it says the board "may" suspend the member's voting rights and the board does not formally do so, then the member may vote. The same would apply if there is a state law addressing this issue.
FranD (Georgia)
Posts: 102
Posted:
Wow, didn't think of it that way. Good point. You are right, it only lists them from using the common areas. Did not know it isn't a board decision. Another good point to think about. Thanks.
LynetteB (Texas)
Posts: 141
Posted:
Fran,
Our CC&R's give the board the option to create rules that pertain to this issue, and we have. When we have any type of vote, we list all of the requirements, (dates to have ballots returned and so on), and the "record" date. The record date is the date we look at the accounts and determine who is eligible to vote. Deliquent members would not be allowed. IMO this would need to be made clear prior to the vote, unless you had a well established process that your members were aware of.
Also, we have an Assessment Policy that has information regarding delinquent accounts and voting rights. We have to notify our members via Certified letter, return receipt in order to take away any of thier rights.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Quote:
We just had a meeting and voted on changing Vendors on lawn maintenance and these members voted. Are they invalid votes?

Did the votes change the outcome of what the paying member voted for? If the answer is NO. Ignore it, and move on.

PS. "Your" CCR docs will say what rights members in "your" community have if they are not in good standing.
BonnieS3 (Florida)
Posts: 22
Posted:
True -- check your governing docs. -- this is covering in our docs. and we are terminating voting rights for delinquency status.
BonnieS3 (Florida)
Posts: 22
Posted:
True -- check your governing docs. -- this is covering in our docs. and we are terminating voting rights for delinquency status.
LynetteB (Texas)
Posts: 141
Posted:
I know this post is a couple of months old, and I actually replied to it in March, however, since my reply, I have discovered a change in the Texas laws which went into effect in September of 2009 that state we are no longer allowed to prevent members from voting simply due to unpaid assessments. Due to this change in the law, we will now have to update our Bylaws and our Assessment Policy.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Lynette,

FYI.. .

There is really no need to amend gov docs to comply with state laws. Unless, of course, your BOD can amend the bylaws w/o a vote of the members which makes it a very easy process.
LynetteB (Texas)
Posts: 141
Posted:
Thanks Mary. Our BOD can amend the bylaws w/o a vote of the members. Our CC&R's also allow an amendment without member vote ONLY to keep current with the ever changing laws. I think the bylaws should be current as people here tend to "lock in" on specifics written and argue until blue. If we update them, that is one less thing to deal with.
JamesC (Maryland)
Posts: 282
Posted:
FranD

In the Bylaws of our Association in Maryland it states:
ARTICLE VII Powers and Duties of the Board of Directors
Section 1. Powers
(B) Suspend the voting rights and right to use of the recreational facilities of a member during any period in which such member shall be in default in the payment of any assessment levied by the Association.

Jim
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
James,

What is stated in your bylaws is pretty much standard for most HOAs. Some assn docs also include members who are "in violation of the covenants".
JamesC (Maryland)
Posts: 282
Posted:
MaryA1

You are correct about the issue also being addressed in the Covenants.
ARTICLE II Property Rights
Section 1 (b)
the right of the Association to suspend the voting rights and right to use of the recreational facilities by an Owner for any period during which any assessment against his lot remains unpaid, etc. etc.
So if you have the Rules/Regulations stating the Board of Directors have the authority to suspend voting rights for any homeowner not having paid their assessments, along with the Association having the same authority, it would seem to clarify a homeowner can absolutely have their voting rights, as concerns any issue pertaining to the HOA, suspended.

Jim

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