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LoisL1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2
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We have a small development of 42 homes and no one wants to serve on the board. What happens if we have no board? None of the current board members want to continue serving as some have been doing so for 3 years.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
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In a worst case scenario, no Board equals no corporation, no corporation equals no corporate shield and thus if anything happens on the common areas like a kid drowning in the retention pond then all homeowners can be sued jointly and severalty for damages. Meaning while someone who has no or little equity in their home and little of value will only have to pay a little those with deep pockets will pay a lot.

In reality eventually some bill the Association is responsible to pay will get missed and the Association will be sued; when the judge finds out no one is in charge of the HOA, he will appoint a receiver to handle the operation until the homeowner’s are willing to step up. In addition to having no say in how the HOA is run; the homeowners will now on top of their regular HOA fees have to pay the receiver’s fees. (By the way any homeowner can also ask the court to appoint a receiver.)

I fail to see what is so onerous that a few people can’t get together three or four time a year to handle the HOA’s business, with only 42 homes you don’t need to meet every month and you can raise fees and hire either a Management Company or a bookkeeper to handle the day to day stuff.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By LoisL1 on 03/23/2010 6:49 AM
We have a small development of 42 homes and no one wants to serve on the board. What happens if we have no board? None of the current board members want to continue serving as some have been doing so for 3 years.

Lois,

Another option if no one wants to serve and IF there is no common area that can't be given away or sold (roads are usually the worst things to have the county/city take control of), the members can agree to abolish the Association. This would also mean that some of the reasons people bought in the development (rules, covenants, etc.) would no longer apply to anyone.

Tim
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
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Tim,

With regard to abolishing the HOA, you said: "This would also mean that some of the reasons people bought in the development (rules, covenants, etc.) would no longer apply to anyone."

Sorry, but that statement is not true. The deed restrictions "run with the land", meaning they are ever present, pass on to succeeding owners and are enforceable whether there is an HOA or not. If there is no HOA then they can be enforced by any property owner.

SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
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If no one wants to do it, just change how you do business. With only 42 homes, plan to meet one time a year, or less. The only person that needs to do anything is the treasurer. And all they need to do is pay the bills. Beyond that, you shouldn't need to do anything unless an emergency comes up.
LoisL1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2
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thanks, Steve. I wish that were true. We have issues that come up that have to be resolved all the time i.e. board approvals for additions, fences, maintenance of the lawns (our fees include lawn service), etc.
KarenT (Washington)
Posts: 250
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Posted By LoisL1 on 03/23/2010 6:49 AM
We have a small development of 42 homes and no one wants to serve on the board. What happens if we have no board? None of the current board members want to continue serving as some have been doing so for 3 years.

I feel your pain!! We only have 12 houses in our HOA. I have served as President for 6 years and just recently resigned due to stress and health issues. No one wants to step up and the VP who took over after I resigned stood in front of the homeowners at our annual meeting which was to vote new officers in (again no one volunteered) and said - this is a direct quote "this just isn't a priority to me".

He is one of 4 owners who do not live in the subdivison and rent their homes out. He intends to sell his residence and I guess it will become a priority to him when he is unable to sell his house due to the HOA not being well run, riddled with delinquent dues, late fees and foreclosures.

It is just beyond my comprehension that people do not want to protect their investment and by not participating in their HOA to insure values are protected they not only lower their own values but ever other homeowners value as well. SIGH!
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By MaryA1 on 03/24/2010 7:25 AM
Tim,

With regard to abolishing the HOA, you said: "This would also mean that some of the reasons people bought in the development (rules, covenants, etc.) would no longer apply to anyone."

Sorry, but that statement is not true. The deed restrictions "run with the land", meaning they are ever present, pass on to succeeding owners and are enforceable whether there is an HOA or not. If there is no HOA then they can be enforced by any property owner.


Mary,

Only the covenants would run with the deed. We all know that there are many, many more guidelines, clarifications, agreements, interpretations, etc. that are not actually part of the covenants. Those would not be enforceable. Additionally, if the Membership chose to abolish the covenants prior to disbanding the corporation, those also would no longer apply.

Tim
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
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The board should have a Nominating Committee whose job it is to find able, willing people to fill board member positions. This committee could be comprised of one board member and two general members.

If that's not possible, each member should bring the name of two persons they know who might be a good candidate.

(Sounds like your board has isolated itself from its membership and everyone is afraid of getting involved.)
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
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Posted By LoisL1 on 03/23/2010 6:49 AM
We have a small development of 42 homes and no one wants to serve on the board. What happens if we have no board? None of the current board members want to continue serving as some have been doing so for 3 years.

This happens when there is apathy and the few members who are willing to serve burn out. You need to maintain a Board. The alternative could be a Court appointed receivership which would be costly and undersirable.

One solution would be to have the bare minimum the number of Directors (3) and the time requirements to do their jobs. You could hire a managing agent to do the day to day work and be delegated almost all of the work of the Directors and Officers. The Board could meet quarterly to approve contracts, establish policies, etc. The President could monitor the managing agent and the Treasurer could sign checks. The Association (or Board) can amend procedures to reduce Board members' time involvement to a minimum. This solution will save the members money while still maintaining control over what may be the biggest investment of their life.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
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We have issues that come up that have to be resolved all the time i.e. board approvals for additions, fences, maintenance of the lawns (our fees include lawn service), etc.


Well, you need to be willing to change. Otherwise everything will stay the same.

Try making a deadline for all additions. Tell everyone they need to have thier requests in by "x" date and you will review 2 times a year (or something like that).

OR

Most business can be conducted through emails of the officers and BOD. Instead of physical meetings, try using email on a regular basis and you will get much more work done and no one has to schedule a meeting in. Face to face meetings in this day and age are an inconvenience. Scans could be made of peoples requests and emailed out to the officers for approval.

I cant imagine why lawn care is taking up your time. I agreed upon a set price with our HOA lawn contractor for the year. I divide that figure by 12 months and set up auto payment from the bank to cut him a check every month. He likes it, I like it. Only time I spent was 5 minutes setting up the re-occurring monthly fee. We have had this system going for years.

You should take a look at how your currently doing things and change your ways to work smarter, not harder. HOA administration doesn't need to be as complicated as you think it is.
DanielH1 (California)
Posts: 482
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Lots of HOAs get into this situation: a few people over-commit for a few (or many) years and then burn out and quit on Day X.

Instead of burning out, put effort into figuring out how to do the minimum for an indefinite amount of time. Focus on maintaining the complex to the minimum standard, nothing above that. Then, raise HOA fees to the max every year to buy as much help as you can. Hire everybody at the most expensive plan that the budget can afford. Your goal is to do as little as possible, pay others to do everything that can be paid for.

At some point, fees will be so high that somebody else will get involved.
JackB8 (Virginia)
Posts: 141
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I like Danielle's response. Money is the root of all involvement. I see this everywhere, at my work, in my HOA, in our church. When you don't have volunteers you pay someone. When that procedure starts to hit people's pocketbooks, they come up with a great way to solve the problem - use volunteers. Then the cycle starts all over again - the swinging of the pendulem. This country is on the back swing right now with the "If you want to work -work, and if you don't want to work, the government will support you. Soon it will swing back because the government can't afford the tab. Danielle says "Hit them in the pocketbook" I agree. Hire a management company, have meetings once in awhile and pay the bills out of the assessments, late charges and fines.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
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Posted By JackB8 on 04/19/2010 6:04 PM
This country is on the back swing right now with the "If you want to work -work, and if you don't want to work, the government will support you. Soon it will swing back because the government can't afford the tab.



Not only was that inaccurate and insensitive, it was completely uncalled for in this thread.

Aside from all the millions of jobs lost in the last few years, through no fault of those who LOST those jobs, and the fact that companies are not hiring, and many former military are having problems not only finding jobs, but dealing with PTSD, among so many others who want to work but can't for whatever reason, some form of disability for one, those who "don't want" to work are a miniscule portion of whatever programs the government has to support those who need it.

And there may well be people on this board who you have just insulted with a political jab that was unnecessary.

Thanks.

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