💬 Join us to post & get advice from 50,000 HOA & Condo leaders.

Create Free Account →

⚡ Takes 30 seconds

Already a member? Log in

TonyK2 (Ohio)
Posts: 1
Posted:
Our housing developement is currently in complete disagreeance with our association. Here's our problems. I have lived here for 3 yrs. My monthly fees started at $55. Now three years later they have increased our monthly fees to $130 thats right a month. There are 22 homes in the developement. We have a farm pond that was here before the developement. We have no other amenities... They are saying our budget for 2010 is $34,415.00. As i mentioned they mow and push snow, For $34,415.00. Either I'm in the wrong business or we are being blindsided. We have never had the oppurtunity as the homeowners to say who we want to mow our lawns. Nor any other voice in where they are spending our money. We currently had 6 or 7 houses go into bankruptcy because they were owned by an individual who was leasing them out. Our brilliant HOA manager decided that it was our responsibility to make up the difference by increaseing our fees. We have suggested that we mow our own yards and take care of snow removal. We do not need an HOA to throw our money away. The builder told us that he will not rid of the HOA because we might make some stupid rules on how to govern ourselves and he won't be able to sell any homes in here. In fact they are not trying to sell homes here because they completely stopped advertising homes for sale. Is there any suggestions on any of my topics to help further in stopping these jokers from living it up large.... Thanks
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Tony I’m sorry to be the one to tell you but there is very little you can do except pay the money or move. The amount you cited is not out of line for Ohio especially for snow pushing depending on where you are in the state and when others don’t/can’t pay it’s up to the rest to pick up the slack. It’s not up to the H/O’s to decide who does what, it’s up to the BOD which sounds like to me is run by the Declarant. It is pretty much his ballgame until the HOA is turned over to the H/O’s.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Tony,

Having lived in Wisconsin, I can tell you that snow removal just ain't cheap. Why don't you request a copy of the budget and see exactly what your budget items and their costs are? You also have common area which needs maintenance--aka pond.

You said that there are 22 homes. Does that mean that there are only 22 total lots or just homes finished for now? So we need more specific information from you please.
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
Depending on the size of the property, the landscaping work and snow removal required $34,000 is NOT a number out of line with normal rates.

Are the homes in foreclosure still paying their fees? If not you might be able to see how this might affect the operating budget of your property.

I would suggest you take the time to learn the details of the operation of your property rather than push for the simple solution of doing it yourself. In the long run this might do more harm to your community and property values.

Did you not know what type of property you were buying into when you purchased.

Sounds like you might be letting your frustration with the overall state of your property blind you to the realities of HOAs in some of the markets today.

The BOD and management must try to maintain your property under any and all conditions whether good or bad. Not hard to see why your fees increased under the current circumstances.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Tony,

From the statement you have made it's very apparent you don't know much about HOAs in general and operating one in particular. And, I don't say this in a nasty way as you are certainly not alone as that is the case for the majority of HOA members.

First of all, while the HOA is still under declarant control, the members don't have much say, if any at all, in the operation of the assn. Even after the members take over, it's the BOD who makes all the decisions with regard to service provider contractors.

With regard to the increase in assessments, in some states the developer must make up any shortfall in the budget thereby eliminating the need to increase the assessments, at least by the rate yours have been increased. Normally the developer wants to keep them low to attract buyers.

If you are in a condo community, then the assn would be resp. for mowing the yards and snow removal because the homeowners do not own the property upon which their units sit and the streets are most likely private so they are also resp. for snow removal. There are some communities of single family homes where the assn does the landscaping for the owners, but that can be changed and that would most likely result in a lower fee. But if the streets are private then snow removal should stay as the resp. of the assn.

There are a lot of other expenses associated with operating an HOA, not just landscaping and snow removal. Some of the expenses are: utilities (water and elec -- needed to maintain the landscaping), taxes, prop. mgmt fee, office supplies, insurance, postage, reserve funding -- to name a few.

Have you any idea how much longer the developer will be in control? Your CCRs should outline when the HOA should be transitioned to the members.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
1. At minimum 7 out of 22 houses are not paying dues. Could be even more people not paying. So your dues went up to cover people who dont pay. At $130 mo x 7 houses = $10,920 in dues not paid per year. Welcome to life in an HOA.

2. You can't really complain about the dues being too high without knowing what the money is spent on. Get a detailed budget from the board of directors them come back here to complain. Hehe.

At minimum you can request a copy of the annual report from the state if the board of directors wont return your request. It may have the info you need, it might not.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Tony,

Based on your post, lets take a look at what the funds might be spent on:

1. snow removal (implies the Association owns the roads)
2. Road maintenance (This requires a reserve fund to cover future replacement cost)
3. Utilities (if you own the road you probably pay for the street lights)
4. Pond maintenance (perhaps wetland requirements also)
5. common area maintenance (ponds, mowing, etc.)
6. Insurance (required by all Associations)
7. Management Company (HOA manager (unless you meant President of the HOA)).

As for methods to minimize future costs and have a say in mowing your own lawns etc.

Get involved in the running of your Association. Run for the Board, Serve on Committees, Attend meetings in order to offer alternatives, rally neighbors for support.

Hope this helps.

Tim
HB (Oregon)
Posts: 143
Posted:
We have had many foreclosures in the past two years as well and have had to write a line item into our budget to take that into account.

We currently pay $50 per month, but our reserves are fully funded and we have a good amount in our operating account. We do make it a point ot bid out our most expensive services (landscaping) every year to make sure we are getting a competitive price, but that is done by the Board and does not need to be voted on by the membership (although we do discuss it with homeowners at meetings to make sure it is what people want to do).

The idea of people saving money by mowing their own lawns sounds nice (I am sure it is proposed in most HOA's), but will only happen consistently in a perfect world. The builder is correct that it could make selling other homes more difficult.

🎯 You've read this entire discussion

Join the conversation with 50,000 HOA & Condo Leaders:

  • ✓ Ask follow-up questions
  • ✓ Share your experience
  • ✓ Get expert advice
  • ✓ Access 350,000 discussions
Create Free Account →

⚡ Takes 30 seconds

Already a member? Log in here