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TimJ4 (Florida)
Posts: 3
Posted:
All:

New poster. Any guidance on this subject? My community's HOA was turned over to residents recently. The new board members are already in a pickle. The developer administered the HOA through a management company. For its own reasons the mgt. company largely ignored covenant violations. Other than sending letters of violation, there was ZERO followup. Now the incoming board has to deal with blatant violations that have been largely ignored for 2 - 3 years. It seems unreasonable to sweep through the neighborhood and demand wholesale corrections. Yet it also seems a violation of board responsibility to ignore violations because of the danger of precedent-setting. Clearly, we cannot target individual violations without also targeting all violations. Somwhere there is a balance between fairness and responsibility, but the new board is finding it impossible to agree on what the balance point might be.
Any suggestions???
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
TimJ,
Of course you realize you have turned this problem over to another Board, maybe bigger than you Board, but no less diverse. This is no answer to your question. I would be more concerned about the Board paying attention to insure the turnover bases were covered than trying to switch from bedlam to serenity. Give this some thought. You all are in the same boat, you are looking for a soft spot to fall, you want peace and serenity and you prefer it happen yesterday. Most of your mortgages are for 30 years, keep that in mind, you are not there for the week end.
It is a wonderful opportunity for your board to set the tenor of your association for years to come. Ideally you want to build blocks and make your house strong. You are not a community yet, but you sure are in the position, to work hard, and build a good one. First UNDERSTAND your documents. You will find good and bad in them, build on the good, make preparations to amend the bad. The Board should dedicate a least a couple weeks with meetings to get everyone to understand your documents. You do not direct for the people you direct for the association and you have the flexibility to fine tune your documents to build the community you want, if you understand the documents.
Don't even try to be perfect, don't close any doors and don't start fining people and putting up No No signs. Have town hall meetings for open discussions, not board meetings. That will come when you all (Board) find out about each other. Write nothing in stone for six months, but when you get ready, to direct the choir, don't surprise anyone.

Just take your time.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Tim,

I would suggest the BOD send a letter to all members informing them that they can see that violations have gone unchecked for the past 2-3 years but now that is going to change. The BOD charged with the resp of upholding the gov docs which means they have an obligation to notice violations of the CCRs, and rules. Also let them know they are being given a grace period of 30 days, but effective March 1 (or whatever date the BOD chooses), violation notices will be mailed and appropriate action will be taken if the violation is not cured w/i the time period specified in the notice. You may also want to include a summary of how the noticing and fining process works.
DanielH1 (California)
Posts: 482
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I agree with Mary.
MichaelT6 (California)
Posts: 46
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Posted By MaryA1 on 02/08/2010 10:26 AM
Tim,

I would suggest the BOD send a letter to all members informing them that they can see that violations have gone unchecked for the past 2-3 years but now that is going to change. The BOD charged with the resp of upholding the gov docs which means they have an obligation to notice violations of the CCRs, and rules. Also let them know they are being given a grace period of 30 days, but effective March 1 (or whatever date the BOD chooses), violation notices will be mailed and appropriate action will be taken if the violation is not cured w/i the time period specified in the notice. You may also want to include a summary of how the noticing and fining process works.

You will get different answers based on the same two basic views: whether HOA is a business or a government.

What Mary says is exactly how it should be done if you run HOA as a business - a blunt enforcement. From your statement it sounds that the board is actually concerned about the residents. This "unhealthy attitude" might get your HOA shoehorned into a government! The board should put the HOA interests first, not the residents. Remember: homeowners come and go, but the property with the restrictions stay.

Choose Robert's approach if your board sees HOA as a government . The residents can amend the bylaws if the violations are wide-spread, and make no sense. They just need the board to represent their interests, provide opportunity to express opinions, to vote, etc. - town-hall meetings or online forum, whatever gets more attention.

I don't know what exactly gets violated in your HOA - if its a neglect from the developer that hard to fix, suing the developer is also an option.

But whatever you do - first thing the board must answer the basic question: is HOA a business or a government? The rest is easy.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Tim also be prepared for the phrase: β€œThe developer told me I could.” But when you ask for written proof that the developer told them it was OK they won’t have it in 99% of the cases so the BOD will be the bad guys.

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SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
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It's harder to repair than start anew.

Does the board have the power to amend bylaws or CCRs?

So look at these "violations" and determine what ones are detrimental to property values and what ones can be relaxed or amended so that there are more options avialable to homeowners.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Glen,

Your remark "the developer told me I could" reminds me of an incident that happened in my former HOA. We were contacted by a neighbor of a member who had purchased a model home. The lights that were installed in the eaves by the developer were shining into her bedroom. Upon inspection we found flourescent lights around the side and front of the house which had been installed on the sales office. The owner of the house stated the developer told her she could keep them. I contacted the developer who told me that was not true; he told her the HOA may request her to have them removed and he had a letter to prove he had advised her of this. The lights were removed!
HB (Oregon)
Posts: 143
Posted:
Tim,

It really shouldn't matter who is on the Board or what the Board agrees is a "balance point". Read your docs and follow them.
Make sure the homeowners know that the developer has not been enforcing the covenants and the responsibility of the Board is to enforce them. I would not go looking for violations, but I would make sure to follow up on the ones the Board is aware of.

Make sure you follow your docs and don't try to determine what is "fair". . .that will just get you in trouble. Be very clear and give ample warning to the membership that the Board will be doing what they were elected to do. Also make sure you let people know they must have written approval from the developer for any deviations from the covenants, otherwise it must go through the normal procedures for approval.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
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HB,
This is a tough one. Can the developer viollate the covenants. I might suggest he can not unless he at least made some kind of written addition to the covenants that would allow for all owners to do what he allowed the one owner to do. But that may be an unsolvable issue and may mean court problems.

A lot of this decision making is not going to be cut and dried and the Boards task requires a lot of give and take. But initially, these difficult decisions should be made with the thought in mind to protect the association. If the association suffers no harm to a change the developer decreed, I would be inclined to allow. If there is multiple transgression I would be inclined to determine the tenor of the ownership and if favorable ,amend the covenants and Grandfather the exceptions. A first board might even want to determine what what actually violates the covenants and handle all the violations at one time.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Tim,

My HOA had a similar issue where the Architectural committee cited some and may or may not have done any followup. Adding to the confusion was the fact that we knew paperwork was missing from the files.

Our decision was to start from scratch as it was too difficult to figure out everything that happened. If it was a violation in the past and not corrected it would still be a violation now. So, every one we saw we treated as if it was new - followed the enforcement procedures to the letter for each one and had very little trouble from the owners.

Some complained that it's been like that for years and unless they recently purchased the house with the change (as my State law covered that issue) then we asked for documentation of the approval stating nothing was in writing. If they provided documentation, we accepted it. If there was no documentation the Committee continued to follow the enforcement procedures.

Hope this helps,

Tim B
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Forgot to say we gave any ties to the homeowner and Grey areas were given a waiver until the unit was sold (or in the case of paint - repainted).

HB (Oregon)
Posts: 143
Posted:

Robert,

You said "This is a tough one. Can the developer violate the covenants"

I don't think the developer is allowed to "violate" the convenants, but often there are items written into the covenants that give the Board or the developer the power to approve something if they deem it "architecturally pleasing" or some such wording.
The real question is whether you request documentation that it was approved by the developer or is someone saying "the developer said it was ok" enough?

We require an application on file for everything whether it was approved by the developer or a prior board. If there is no way to show it was approved, then it goes through normal review procedures. If there is proof it was previously approved, then we note the file so the homeowner isn't bothered by future Boards asking the same question.

You said "If the association suffers no harm to a change the developer decreed, I would be inclined to allow"
I would agree with this statement, but again they have to show it was decreed by the developer. Right?

You said "If there is multiple transgression I would be inclined to determine the tenor of the ownership and if favorable ,amend the covenants and Grandfather the exceptions"
It is really up to the membership to vote to amend the covenants. The Board cannot just decide that "several people have basketball hoops on the fronts of their garages, and it doesn't hurt the association, so we are going to grandfather them". Actually, they can, but it doesn't make it right.

So the question is does the Board ignore these violations until the covenants are changed (which can often take some time) or do they follow the docs and send a violation notice? You are right that it is not cut and dried, but only because the Board makes it so. The docs may be clear when they say "no basketball hooops are to be mounted on garages", but the Board muddies the waters by saying "well several people have them and we don't see that it is a problem" or "they have been there for several years and nobody has complained so we should just grandfather them".

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