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RuthF1 (Washington)
Posts: 117
Posted:
How do you handle a board member who divulges a delinquent owner to another owner? The board member doesn't like the (deliquency) person and we found out that they told a non board member owner how much they owe us in back dues.

Never had this happen and not sure if we can take the BOD off the board as our Bylaws state it has to be the members.

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GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
The president of the Board should pull the person aside and explain to then that that kind of behavior is unacceptable. But unless your BOD has some type of ethics policy that this person agreed to when they joined the BOD there is little else that can be done.

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HB (Oregon)
Posts: 143
Posted:
The President needs to let them know it is unacceptable. Depending on what your docs say, I am guessing that only the membership can vote to remove a Board Member. I don't know if this one instance is enough to get them removed, unless there are other issues as well??
CarolF (Florida)
Posts: 435
Posted:
Is this a property that has been liened, and do you have a policy as to how far an owner is in arrears before the property is liened?
RuthF1 (Washington)
Posts: 117
Posted:
Hi Carol, I am not sure what you are asking. It wasn't a matter of how much the lien was, it was a matter of a board member talking about confidentail matters to owners outside the board.
CarolF (Florida)
Posts: 435
Posted:
I am approaching this from a Florida background, where once a property is liened it is clearly public information. How would you try to remove someone from the board on that basis. In fact, in FL all financial records are open to members of the association upon request, and our boards operate with a great deal of transparency. I don't know what HOA law is in your state.
RuthF1 (Washington)
Posts: 117
Posted:
I see now Carol. This was a discussion that was done in executive session. Our bylaws state we talk about delinqencies and lien/forclosure that way.

I should have clarified and it does make a big difference in the question, is that we had just decided to lien the property in a prior meeting. Nothing had been done yet.

I guess our concern is it looks like we have someone who likes to gossip (according to other owners). We always assure the owners that we honor thier privacy and until now we have done so.

From what I can tell there isn't really anything we can do about it. Was just wondering if anyone had had a similar situation.
KarlA1 (Florida)
Posts: 84
Posted:
Ruth,

I have to agree with Carol. The books are to be open to every H/O. The Board of Directors is acting on behalf of all the H/O and as far as I know, here in Florida every H/O can request financial statements at any time and the Board has to provide these statements. If you have similar laws in your state, than your DOCS are actually in contradiction of state laws. You might wanna check into that. If this is the case, maybe you should update your DOCS according to your state laws.

I did a little research. I believe you live in Washington State, so I looked up the Washington State Statutes Chapter 64.38 RCW. I am going to quote part of Section 054

64.38.045
Financial and other records — Property of association — Copies — Examination — Annual financial statement — Accounts.
(2) All records of the association, including the names and addresses of owners and other occupants of the lots, shall be available for examination by all owners, holders of mortgages on the lots, and their respective authorized agents on reasonable advance notice during normal working hours at the offices of the association or its managing agent. The association shall not release the unlisted telephone number of any owner. The association may impose and collect a reasonable charge for copies and any reasonable costs incurred by the association in providing access to records.

Here is the link to it: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=64.38&full=true

So this should basically answer your question. Any H/O can request the information in question and therefore I don't believe that your board member did anything wrong.

Please correct me if I am wrong or my research delivered wrong results.

Cheers
Karl
KarlA1 (Florida)
Posts: 84
Posted:
Just in case you live in a Condo, here is Chapter 64.32.170

64.32.170
Records and books — Availability for examination — Audits.

The manager or board of directors, as the case may be, shall keep complete and accurate books and records of the receipts and expenditures affecting the common areas and facilities, specifying and itemizing the maintenance and repair expenses of the common areas and facilities and any other expenses incurred. Such books and records and the vouchers authorizing payments shall be available for examination by the apartment owners, their agents or attorneys, at any reasonable time or times. All books and records shall be kept in accordance with good accounting procedures and be audited at least once a year by an auditor outside of the organization.

And here is the link: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=64.32&full=true


Cheers
Karl
RuthF1 (Washington)
Posts: 117
Posted:
I understand where you are coming from. I think I am looking at the issue that this WASN'T someone asking for the information. A board member repeated it from the meeting we held.

So this brings up another question in my mind. If someone asked for a copy of our deliquency is that covered under "All records of the association". That is spooky that someone could get that list, make copies and distribute it.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Ruth,

Any information that is considered confidential can be discussed in a closed (executive) session. The minutes of a closed session along with the records pertaining to confidential information can be withheld from anyone wishing to view or copy assn records.

With regard to the board member who disclosed confidential information to a member; I agree he should be spoken to by the Board Pres. The BOD may want to consider including a disclosure statement with the executive portion of your board packet. Following is the statement our manager includes in my assn's board packet:

"Executive Session Report. The information contained in this report is proprietary and confidential, and is the exclusive property of the XXX HOA. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you are legally prohibited from retaining, using, copying, distributing or otherwise disclosing this information in any manner. If you have received this report or any of its contents in error, please return it to the attention of the XXX HOA, at the following address:"
KarlA1 (Florida)
Posts: 84
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RuthF1 on 02/05/2010 2:01 PM
I understand where you are coming from. I think I am looking at the issue that this WASN'T someone asking for the information. A board member repeated it from the meeting we held.

So this brings up another question in my mind. If someone asked for a copy of our deliquency is that covered under "All records of the association". That is spooky that someone could get that list, make copies and distribute it.


Ruth,

I think you can't copy the financial reports and hand them out on the street. I am pretty sure that there is some kind of law that prevents this. But within the members of the assn these records are open book. Of course you can't make copies and then advertise some homeowners delinquency in the local newspaper. I think I said that before already ... HaHa

You can see the members of an assn as stockholders. Stockholders who own stocks of publicly traded Companies have the right to a lot more information regarding the company than you and I, who don't have any stocks for this company.

So don't worry, a homeowner can't just go around and post financial statements in the neighborhood. That would be really scary.

Cheers
Karl
KarlA1 (Florida)
Posts: 84
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MaryA1 on 02/05/2010 2:39 PM
Ruth,

Any information that is considered confidential can be discussed in a closed (executive) session. The minutes of a closed session along with the records pertaining to confidential information can be withheld from anyone wishing to view or copy assn records.

With regard to the board member who disclosed confidential information to a member; I agree he should be spoken to by the Board Pres. The BOD may want to consider including a disclosure statement with the executive portion of your board packet. Following is the statement our manager includes in my assn's board packet:

"Executive Session Report. The information contained in this report is proprietary and confidential, and is the exclusive property of the XXX HOA. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you are legally prohibited from retaining, using, copying, distributing or otherwise disclosing this information in any manner. If you have received this report or any of its contents in error, please return it to the attention of the XXX HOA, at the following address:"

I totally agree with you. Even though I don't think it was unlawful, it definitely was unprofessional and unethical to just go around and talk about the financial situation of a homeowner, since it was not specifically asked for. This member of the board should be put in his/her place.

Cheers
Karl
RuthF1 (Washington)
Posts: 117
Posted:
That is awesome Karl. I will use this at our next meeting. Simple, to the point.
KarlA1 (Florida)
Posts: 84
Posted:
You are welcome Ruth

Cheers
Karl
TomK5 (Ohio)
Posts: 3
Posted:
There are several points here to consider.

First and foremost is that any delinquency is recorded a a record of the corporation and thus should/must be available tot he membership. This is not confidential.

Our board can be speaking to any member and they can discuss the financial condition of the corporation. That includes the accounts receivables balance and details of the balance.

Bylaws can include clauses that "members not in good standing" (delinquent, nuisance, etc) fore-go their rights to vote, hold office or use common property.

Maybe is what not a "best practice" or not right, it is not immoral or illegal.

I can see where a neighbor is speaking to a board member and the neighbor makes a comment that another neighbor is unhappy about X and that the unhappy neighbor plans to run for a board position and the board member replies that at this time that would not be possible due to a delinquency of that neighbor.

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