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LynnR5 (Oregon)
Posts: 12
Posted:
Is it legal for members to audiotape or videotape monthly Board Meetings and then publish the video for non-present members to view? I've read that Board's should not tape record their meetings, and if the Secretary uses a tape to create the minutes, the tape should be destroyed afterwards. But what is to prevent non-Board members from taping?
Is this considered a 'public' meeting where they would have that right?
DennisT (Ohio)
Posts: 109
Posted:
I don't know about the laws of Oregon but in pretty much every state HOAs are not public entities and the usual sunshine laws don't apply. With that being said, a member has the right to attend regular board meetings unless the association's documents say otherwise. I was thinking you might be able to claim illegal wiretapping but alas it turns out that Oregon is a one party state. As long as one person present (i.e. the videographer) consents to being recorded it's not illegal.

It is true that secretaries are generally advised to retain tapes only to help them prepare the minutes and them destroy them as a regular business practice once the minutes have been written. I would be more concerned about matters discussed in an executive session where there's a greater chance of someone not being happy with the outcome. The board has absolute discretion over who can attend an executive session.

With that being said assuming your association is running things on the up and up, which there should be no reason it is not, then I wouldn't make a big deal about it. If you try to make a rule or prohibit the activity people are going to get suspicious and think the board has something to hide. On the other hand if you just go about your meetings as if the camera isn't there I think interest will wain quickly. Somehow I think that if people don't care enough to attend the board meetings they're not going to sit through a recording in their spare time either. Granted there are owners who genuinely would like to attend but can't due to scheduling issues and might find value in the tape but the majority of owners don't give two hoots about board meetings.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Lynn,
If I recall the last time this came up it sort of worked it's way down to. copy the big boys, sort of. Now congress, and all governmental bodies videotpae nearly all meetings, the publish minutes of meetigs and these records are all dicoverable, nearly always. You want to speak at your city council meetings, you get videoed and recorded. I expect nearly all POA meetings are recorded and if you attend a county council meeting you are videoed, recorded and maybe simucast to local TV. So if your city, state or county does it follow their lead. I do believe the Board should make the decision of how they record the meetings, but how could you stop a visually impaired person from videoing a meeting or a hard of hearing person from recording. I just don't think it would be worth the effort to try and stop it. What is said in a members meeting is said for all members, what they do with that information is hardly classified. If a BOD puts a financial report on a web site, they can't say, no one can repeat any of this information. Suppose this information was relevant information in a court case, can you stop anyone from repeating the information.

Maybe it is just a question of: why should the Board try to restrict members information. The information does not belong to the Board, it belong to the association, bought and paid for.
CarolF (Florida)
Posts: 435
Posted:
Florida-

Fl 720.306 - Statute for Homeowners Associations (10) RECORDING.--Any parcel owner may tape record or videotape meetings of the board of directors and meetings of the members. The board of directors of the association may adopt reasonable rules governing the taping of meetings of the board and the membership.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
One word: YouTube

GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JosephW on 06/20/2007 6:22 AM
First, if your documents don't directly state it, adopt a policy that clearly states that meetings of the association, whether a board, annual or general meeting are private, limited to the members, their proxies, or legal representatives. That materials distributed by or obtained from the association may not be disseminated outside of the association, other than to an owner's legal counsel or agent. That video or audio recordings of meetings of the board or of the members cannot be released or distributed outside of the association without the written consent of the board and any owner who appears in or was present at the meeting.

In other words, what goes on in the association should stay in the association. This doesn't stop people from going to the media or from providing information to their counsel as needed, but it might make people think before posting that video of the annual meeting to YouTube.

Joe

This was posted by JosephW at http://www.hoatalk.com/Forum/tabid/55/view/post/forumid/1/postid/20592/quoteid/20958/Default.aspx

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RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
With minimal amount of editorial comment on this post of 2007, my comment is:
Good luck on that one.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Carol,
I believe this Fl 720 addresses condos. Is this also true for HOA's.
If the state legislation process includes video and recording, would this be considered "reasonable"? Be hard pressed to say the state is being reasonable and the residents and property owners have to follow a different drummer.

I expect the last sentence above was an attempt to disallow an unreasonable act, more than to try and pick apart what is reasonable.
When you walk through a store and the video cameras are taking your picture and likely showing the film to the public, do they also have to ask for your permission to tape you, do they ask for your permission to put your mug on public display. At a football game, do they obtain releases from all the thousands of fans in the stadium, do the get releases from all the players so they can broadcast the game world wide?
DonN (Michigan)
Posts: 357
Posted:
I respectfully disagree with Joe West's proposed policy. We live in a open society with freedom of speech. My owners association doesn't have the authority to restrict my speech.

Moreover, some states require disclosures to prospective buyers. That would include the financial statements, governing documents and policies. Many questions would be raised about the policy proposed by Mr. West. What is the association trying to hide?

Our association recently had a members' vote on an increase in annual assessment. The board advocated the increase and presented only one side of the issues involved. Members with an opposing view were not given "equal space" to express their views. The result was that the issue boiled over to the local newspaper which provides for posting of issues and discussion of those issues.

Members voted NO two to one on the assessment increase proposal.

If the board is doing such excellent work, I believe they would welcome the public recognition of the good job they are doing. Transparency helps produce results based on facts and good reasoning.

DanielH1 (California)
Posts: 482
Posted:
In corporate settings, videotaping is always advised against. I talked to a lawyer (at a business conference) about it once and here was his explanation.

Suppose that a Board Member said in the course of another debate at a Board meeting that he thought the company was worth $10M. Then, a year later, he votes to sell the company for $5M. Somebody could use that tape in court to leverage a few expensive but mostly frivolous lawsuits.

The explanation being that, just because somebody says something once on videotape, that doesn't mean that the statement is meant as an eternal codification of his beliefs, fit to be etched in stone, to which he must forever struggle to maintain perfect intellectual consistency and, if he doesn't, risk a wave of lawsuits. Nobody's going to express their full and honest opinion in such an environment and the corporation will be less effectively run.

Take what you will from that. Maybe some of it applies to HOAs.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
All,

As has been stated, taping of meetings are both good and bad.

The Good:

Promotes the perception of openness on board actions
Provides an alibi file for what was actually said
Encourages some (not all) to act civil at the meetings (if that is an issue)

The Bad:

Provides a record of what was actually said.
Can inhibit open discussion (for fear of how the discussion can be perceived)
Can encourage grandstanding
Recordings (audio or video) can be edited

Personal Opinion:

Working in the Broadcast industry, I see both the good and the bad. Depending on which side of the table I was on, I may argue for it or against it.

I know that as a member of the Board, if I knew that an outside source (member vs. Association) was going to videotape or audio record a meeting, I would insist that the Association also record the meeting so the Association could dispute anything that was misrepresented.

I also know that if I was just a member, I wouldn't consider taping any meeting unless the activities of the Board gave me (perhaps others) the perception of improprieties and/or actual wrong doing. If I had the perception that I would be treated fairly and justly, I wouldn't even consider the need to record a meeting or process.

Conclusion (at least mine):

If the Board conducts themselves professionally, treats every member equally, considers design changes based on merit and existing covenants vs. personal taste, publishes and holds open meetings and keeps the membership informed of Association issues and actions - the issue of if a meeting can be recorded will probably never come up.

Yes, I know that there will always be one or two members that this conclusion doesn't apply to. However, I believe that if the Board conducts themselves as above, those one or two members may see begin to see things differently as well.

Tim

RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Tim,
It should also be considered from the aspect that many HOA's and local government functions are routinely taped, now vedioed and it is normal for minutes to be taken and approved widely by all kinds of organizations. So when some new technolgy comes common place the associations ahead of the curve will fare better. Nearly all the discussions at association meeting is just so much routine stuff, the minutes or recording never are an issue. If there is a suspecion that controversy is likely to happen I would believe that all sides would be served if an accurate record was kept, be it recording, or video. Also the taking of minutes and latter approving their inclusion into the official records can be filled with minefields, and during discussion of approval of the nminutes, compromises are made about what was said. In the end we might conclude that we are damned if we do and damned if we don't, to much info recorded however for some may be not enough for others.
JosephW (Michigan)
Posts: 882
Posted:
Don,

First, I'm not restricting your speech - you can post whatever you want to the internet or any other medium, as long as its your face and your words. The pupose of my policy proposal wasn't to hide anything from the members. They could share it with other members, or with their counsel, but why should they have any right to publish it to the public at large. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. It has to do with an individual's right to privacy, something that is disappearing all too fast these days. A meeting of the members of a comunity association is not a public event. Board members are not celebrities and have a right to not see their faces plastered all over the internet.

My own opinion is that all meetings should be video'ed and made available on the association's secure web site for all member's to see. However, no one should have the automatic right to blast it out onto the internet. I've seen all of the videos posted, and I can guarantee you that no matter what you see, it's only a small piece of whatever the total story is.

I wonder how people would feel if the board took the video of the audience at some contentious meeting and posted it on YouTube. The screams from the owners about "right to privacy" would be heard from one end of the internet to the other. And yes, I know that privacy is not a constitutionally guaranteed right, but it is something those of us not in the public eye should have a right to expect.

Joe


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RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By LynnR5 on 01/30/2010 12:04 PM
Is it legal for members to audiotape or videotape monthly Board Meetings and then publish the video for non-present members to view? I've read that Board's should not tape record their meetings, and if the Secretary uses a tape to create the minutes, the tape should be destroyed afterwards. But what is to prevent non-Board members from taping?
Is this considered a 'public' meeting where they would have that right?

Before making an audio or video recording of a Board meeting the member should ask permission, unless the Board has perviously established a policy regarding taping. I recommend the Board not allow any audio or video recording.

Why? Because of how people may misuse the recording(s). For example, take a look at Michelle's post from YouTube. Association meetings are not public meetings; they should not be broadcast without the permission of the Board and other parties who may be involved. I am for open meetings and free speech while respecting the rights of others.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
In that case it would be better for the Board to video the meeting themselves and let any H/O that wanted to see it borrow it since they would own the copyright on the tape. This of course would not work for the states that guarantee the right of the H/O to video.

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