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ReneeD (Illinois)
Posts: 201
Posted:
We are an Illinois HOA.

Without any homeowner involvement/feedback, our Association's BOD plans to adopt an updated and more streamlined Rules and Regulations Handbook for all homeowners on October 17. There are changes I plan to bring to their attention that I don't agree on some which cannot even be referenced back to our governing documents. Also, their cover letter explains that should a discrepancy exist that our Village Ordinances shall prevail. I don't agree with that either.

Anyway, I understand that whatever rules the BOD adopts can be more restrictive but should not conflict with our governing documents. For example, are governing documents are silent on the material, e.g., pcv, used for fences. Our current rules state only picket 4' or 6' fence---our Village Ordinance has no restriction on any style/material of fence. Our NEW RULES now state only wooden fences. I don't agree with that either.

On a separate note when comparing our current rules manual I found one update adopted by the BOD recently that had not been recorded and filed but that change was reflected in a previous amendment to our governing documents bearing the County Recorder's Seal. Does that make the recent update null and void?

ReneeD
ClaudeV (Florida)
Posts: 86
Posted:
Renee,

If I understand the system, HOA BOD's MUST conduct a meeting of a quarum of members to make ANY "significant" changes to the original agreement entered into by the members. The changes MUST be approved by the membership at that meeting, IF a quarum or minimum membership is present and votes, either in person or by proxie.

Unless Illinois has some totally different laws, that should be the way it's done. Do some homework on your state's website...find your statute that covers Illinois HOA's and read it....(print it out for future reference.)

Good luck! Many HOA boards get "big headed" and out of control. Many do so out of "good intentiions", but never the less, they STILL must follow the RULES and the LAW.

Roger? You have anything to add?
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Renee, you are correct that Rules can be more restrictive but should not conflict with your Declaration. And the Declaration can be more restrictive than the Village Ordinances. Your old Rule on fences can be changed to your new Rule. You have a right to disagree but that does not mean the Rule can not be changed. However, even when the Board has the authority to make and change Rules and Regulations it is prudent to seek approval at a members meeting. Regarding filing of Rules, does your Declaration, county, or state require filing rules before they become effective. If not, the recent update is valid.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Renee,

It's not uncommon for the board to have authority to make rules. These rules are in addition to the provisions contained in the CCRs and generally do not require member approval. As Roger stated, it would be prudent of the board to call a meeting for members to vote on the new rules; however, we all know far too many boards have no concept of "being prudent". So, whether you like the new rules or not, you may have to live with them. I suggest you thoroughly review your gov. docs. and your state laws so you will know exactly what the board can and cannot do.

Mary
ReneeD (Illinois)
Posts: 201
Posted:

Tuesday, October 17

Thanks, Roger, for your quick response and hope I can get an answer to 2 more questions from you before our meeting tonight.

To answer your question, our Declarations say that provisions of our Declaration may be amended, abolished, modified, enlarged, or otherwise changed in whole or in part by the affirmative vote of at least Seventy-Five Percent (75%) of the Voting Members or by an instrument executed by Owners of at least Seventy-Five Percent (75%) of the Dwelling Units. Also, no Amendment shall become effective until properly Recorded. Illinois also requires filing rules before they become effective. Also, even if the Board has the authority to make/change Rules & Regulations, you say it would be prudent to seek aproval at a members meeting. I would interpret that to be our annual homeowners meeting; and, if that is the case, we homeowners are never given any opportunity to bring up for discussion or vote on any other business except election of new officers!

If I am understanding this correctly, the mere fact that the BOD distributed the "updated" Rules and Regulations to the homeowners and having given proper notice, is sufficient to adopt these changes at tonight's meeting regardless of homeowner input?

I know this to be a silly question and never hurts to ask but here goes. As a homeowner that will be attending, I would be curious to know and would ask the BOD who, what and how many changes were submitted by other homeowners, if there are any? Thanks.
-ReneeD

RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Renee, you did not say whether the meeting is a Board meeting or a members meeting. At a members meeting any member should be able to make a motion under New Busines. If seconded there should be discussion allowed and a vote by all members present. However, if it is a Board meeting only the Board members may vote and it depends on the state and the Board concerning homeowners input. In Colorado HOAs are now required to try to advise homeowners of Board meetings and allow their input prior to the Board members voting.

You certainly have the right to make inquiries about Board actions at a members meeting and may have that right at Board meetings. I would be more interested in whether the new rules were needed and were appropriate rather than how they came about.

When you stated rules require filing in Illinois are you referring to amendments to the Declaration or are you also referring to Rules and Regulations approved by the Board or approved by the members at a members meeting? In Colorado only the Declaration and amendments to it are required to be filed with the county clerk to become effective.
ReneeD (Illinois)
Posts: 201
Posted:
Roger, tonight's meeting is a Board meeting--actually they all are except for the Annual (Homeowners)Meeting held in August. IF we are supposed to have members meetings where would I even find a reference to that? in the 12+ years I've lived here, homeowners have never been given a chance to hold a meeting let alone offer any ideas, comments. We don't even have any committees! Even though they allow homeowners to attend, the BOD only allows 3 minutes each per homeowner to speak and forever hold their "peace".

From the BOD's perspective, our Rules and Regulations have not been updated since April 2001 and they felt it was long overdue. IMO, they spent a lot of money ) a total waste of association funds) for what I consider is a "draft"; has been completely revamped I think just to make it look like they've been busy--it took them 2 years.

And, I was referring to amendments to Declarations/Bylaws not our Rules and Regulations although I did notice in the latter the Management Company will charge a homeowner $25 for processing a rental form and was also added as an amendment to our Declarations. As of this writing I am still trying to figure this out.
-ReneeD

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