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RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Anyone want to comment on this.
Facts are, five member board, one member resigns. Board selects a new member from membership in about a month.

Couple months go by, that new board member resigns, five months before annual meeting. Now, if all this was done according to relevant documents, but documents do not specify that a new member, will or may, be appointed within a given time, does the board have to follow precedence and in short order appoint another new member and does leaving the board with an even number of votes play a part also.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
I'll give this a stab. The BOD should appoint a new member once the PM approves the candidate. We had the exactly same scenario late 2008 and into 2009.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Richard, No PM.
In my book this is a Board only decision, the members elect the Board, the Board hires a PM. The Board must answer to the members, the PM must answer to the Board, not the members.
Should the board be expoected to appoint a new member or should they let it go to annual meeting, does even number on board mean anything?
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
Robert

I am on your side. But, as you mentioned elesewhere, we don't live in a perfect world. Much would have to do with how informed and educated a BOD is and how controlling a PM is. If a BOD has only one discenting vote, then then you could wait until the annual election, but if it's 2-2 all the time and you need to get things done, it would be in the best interest of the assoiciation to get to 5, so would you choose a person that agrees or disagrees with your position? The only problem is, like our association, what if you can't achieve quorum? I have the feeling I am the first person who is willing to go the extra mile to get things done, most of which was done getting events off the ground.
HB (Oregon)
Posts: 143
Posted:
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Posted By RobertR1 on 01/02/2010 8:24 PM
Anyone want to comment on this.
Facts are, five member board, one member resigns. Board selects a new member from membership in about a month.

Couple months go by, that new board member resigns, five months before annual meeting. Now, if all this was done according to relevant documents, but documents do not specify that a new member, will or may, be appointed within a given time, does the board have to follow precedence and in short order appoint another new member and does leaving the board with an even number of votes play a part also.

No, the Board does not have to follow precedence.
I personally would put "appoint New Board Member" on my list of things to do, but not let it consume my available time. You have 4 remaining members who can effectively run Board meetings and vote on items. I would think their time would be more wisely spent on important issues rather than trying to hunt down a new Board member, especially if not many people are willing to fill the spot.

We recently appointed a Board member to serve out our treasurers term (2 years). I don't think it is a wise choice to appoint someone just to have 5 members. It is important to us that we work well together. None of us knows each other outside of the Board so there isn't a risk that we are "stacking the deck" so to speak.

I would not base my decision on how the person feels about any particular issue or whether their ideas are the same as mine (that is irrelevant) . . . it should be based on:

- do they have the time to volunteer
- are they willing to offer up an opinion
- would they be able to keep their personal agendas out of decisions and not take things personally
- do they have a thick skin.
HB (Oregon)
Posts: 143
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RichardP13 on 01/02/2010 8:53 PM
I'll give this a stab. The BOD should appoint a new member once the PM approves the candidate. We had the exactly same scenario late 2008 and into 2009.

Definitely no PM involved in this decision. It should be done by the Board.
Even though our PM does a lot for us, we still make these kinds of decisions and hold the reins to our association. The PM works for us.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
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Posted By HB on 01/02/2010 11:33 PM
Posted By RichardP13 on 01/02/2010 8:53 PM
I'll give this a stab. The BOD should appoint a new member once the PM approves the candidate. We had the exactly same scenario late 2008 and into 2009.


Definitely no PM involved in this decision. It should be done by the Board.
Even though our PM does a lot for us, we still make these kinds of decisions and hold the reins to our association. The PM works for us.

Wish that was the case here.
FredN (California)
Posts: 87
Posted:
6.4.1 Vacancies on the Board of Directors, except for a vacancy created by the removal of
a director, may be filled by a majority vote of the remaining directors, though less than a quorum, or
by a sole remaining director, and each director so elected shall hold office until his successor is
elected at an annual or a special meeting of the Members. A vacancy on the ~ o a r dof Directors
created by the removal of a director by the Members may only be filled after obtaining the vote of a
majority of the Members, excluding the vote of the Declarant.

This seems to meen the board MAY fill the posistion if they want or they MAY wait for the annual meeting to fill the vacancy.

I prefer the latter, but that never seems to happen.......
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Robert,

In an association where there is lots of voting activity, an even number of Board members can present a problem when voting can be tied on an issue. I never like to have even numbers. Almost all documents are written to have an odd number, which you currently do not have. The remaining Board members have the ability to appoint ew Directors, so I highly reccomend adding another member.

When is your annual meeting and elections? If it is in the near future, you might want to go to an election but it is the Boards choice.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
I agree with everyone that it's not crucial to appoint a new board member if there is only 4 or 5 months till the next election.

I also think Donna's point that it's generally not a great idea to have even numbers if there is a lot of voting activity by a board.

I would be surprised if there were so much voting activity that it would hamper an HOA board for 3, maybe 4 months, of getting the business done.

It would seem to me that the bulk of the voting activity would occur in the early part of the year and not so much once the year is well under way. Except for actual "gettin' things done," most of the issues that would require voting would probably already be done by mid-year.

At least that's the pattern I've seen in my own and other HOAs in our area.

Like HB, I'd be focusing more on the general day-to-day bidness.

BarbaraP3 (Maryland)
Posts: 90
Posted:
We had this exact same scenario several years ago. We had 5 board members, 2 resigned in January (1 moved, the other was called to active duty). We were left with a quorum of 3 directors until our June election. We all agreed that we could take care of association business for the next 6 months and prepare the annual budget and coordinate the election. All worked out well and ran smoothly without having to ā€œbreak inā€ two new directors. The key to the success was that ALL three of us agreed to work together!
Our by-laws state as follows:

"If for any reason a vacancy shall exist on the board, the person receiving the second highest number of votes at the previous annualmeeting shall fill the remaining year of said director until the next annual meeting. That person may then run for the remainder of the term for the director's position he or she filled. If said appointed director declines the position and there is no other available candidate, then the board has the authority to elect a candidate."

We had no candidates from the previous election to appoint and decided not to appoint a person from the membership (as explained above).

Given the fact that your first appointed director resigned and your annual meeting is in 5 months, I would support the remaining BOD’s decision to NOT appoint a new director for a 5 month term and wait until the general election to replace the director.

Barb
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
To all,
Replies are relevant and informative, but this example is just the kind of drawing conclusions because we don't know the whole story that we are asked to deal with it here on this site. Day to day business is mentioned as more important than # of directors. But consider:
1. We have a new manager starting 1 Jan 2010.
2. Days to day business is mostly maintenance as far as activity is concerned.
3. The director that resigned was the Maintenance chairman, he had never met the new manager.
4. We have five directors, now four and only one on site.....the President.
5. So the President says I will take over maintenance in addition to indoctrinating the new manager, in addition to serving as the contact point for all and any other day to day business in addition to shepherding all owners concerns that the new manager doesn't know about, plus getting a new office up and running. I personally find this is too great a burden on one person because he happens to reside here and elects to do it. I also know we that live here will work this out. They know I have a twenty year knowledge of what it takes for this place, I have volunteered to serve out the term and take over maintenance. At one point the board refused to put my name on the ballot several years ago. You all can understand that. I have no idea what the Board will decide and it matters not, as long as we can get the job done and we will one way or the other, I am sure of that. So for our posters that come on and want blood to be spilled, have some patience, keep your eyes and efforts forward and do the job that has to be done.
I think you all would agree that those concerned here will get the job done, and it won't take hiring legal advice or going outside our documents.
It is now close to 1230, the new manager, the president and his wife and I just finished putting on about 150 freeze caps on outside faucets. Probably close to 3 hours x four- 12 man hours. No extra cost to owners, and that is also not relevant, do the job and move on.

Starting this post and reading the replies and considering the different viewpoints has helped me cut through some crap that is not important, thanks a lot.
BarbaraP3 (Maryland)
Posts: 90
Posted:
Posted by Robert:
"You all can understand that".....

I don’t understand why they would not want to appoint you or permit you to run for a BOD position. Maybe they are intimidated by your vast experience and knowledge! If they don’t take up your offer, the BOD could/should appoint an ā€œinterimā€ committee. Call it the maintenance, transition (or whatever makes them happy) committee and appoint you as chairman. If they don’t go for that then one or two of them needs to get their ā€œbuttsā€ to NC to help out!

Barb

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