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ToddP1 (Texas)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Here is the situation. For at least 4 years, the HOA that is in my community has not completed an election. They send out a notice of a meeting and then claim that there aren't enough votes for a quorum, but won't allow anyone to verify the results. They dispute that they only have to hold one meeting and do not have to complete any election. I dispute that they are required to complete the election. Here is the relevant text from our covenant:

"3.01 Annual Meetings. Annual meetings of Members, commencing in the year 2000 shall
be held at 6801 Gaylord Parkway, Suite 100, Frisco, Texas, at 10:00 a.m. on the first Monday in
October, unless such day is a legal holiday, then the meeting shall be held on the next business day
following, or the meeting may be held at such other date and time as shall be designated from time
to time by the Board of Directors and stated in the notice of the meeting. At the Members annual
meeting, the Members shall elect, by a majority vote, a Board of Directors and transact such other
business as may properly be brought before the meeting."

"3.04 Notice of Meeting'~. Written notice of any meeting called for the purpose of taking
any action requiring membership vote shall be sent to all members not less than thirty (30) days nor
more than sixty (60) days in advance of the meeting. Printed or written notice of each annual
meeting shall be given, which shall state the place, date and hour of the meeting. For a special
meeting, such notice also include the purpose of the meeting. At the first such meeting called, the
presence of Members or of proxies!s entitled to cast sixty percent (60%) of all the votes of each class
of membership shall constitute a quorum. If the required quorum is not present, another meeting
may be called subject to the same notice requirement, and the required quorum at the subsequent
meeting shall be one-half (112) of the required quorum at the preceding meeting. No such
subsequent meeting shall be held more than sixty (60) days following the preceding meeting."

"7.3 Interpretation. If this Declaration or any word, clause, sentence, paragraph,
or other part thereof shall be susceptible of more than one or conflicting interpretations, then the
interpretation which is most nearly in accordance with the general purposes and objectives of this
Declaration shall govern."

The HOA contends that the next to last sentence in 3.04 gives them the option of having a second meeting if they so desire. However, they do not believe that they have a requirement to hold a completed election. I contend that 3.04 gives them the ability to add additional meetings should they not have a quorum and that 7.3 in conjunction with 3.01 requires that each election be completed.

Who is correct?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Todd,

Giving it a first read, I agree with you.

The term "may" which is the defining point for the Board in calling a second meeting, is correct. It is the Boards option to call a second meeting. The term "shall" is the defining point for your argument.

Even though the Board has an option to call a second meeting, and may chose not to, they still must elect a board of directors at the annual meeting. Texas non-profit corporation law does not help clarify the issue, available at:
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/CV/htm/CV.32.9.htm

Texas law says that In the absence of a provision in the articles of incorporation or the by-laws fixing the term of office, a director shall hold office until the next annual election of directors and until his successor shall have been elected, appointed, or designated and qualified (Art. 1396-2.15 paragraph B).

To summarize (as I see it):

An Annual Meeting must be held (done)
Directors shall be elected at the annual meeting (willing to do but no quorum)
If there is no quorum, Board may hold another meeting (chose not to)
Per law, Directors serve until replaced or resigned (Existing Board continues)

Todd, I've got to say that this is tricky and in my layman's opinion, depending on how it is presented to a court, could be ruled either way.

Various Ways to approach:

1. Take them to court and get a ruling (50/50 chance plus your expenses)
2. Send letter siting Art. 1396-2.23 of Texas non-profit corp. law (citing law usually gets a Boards attention), and ask to review the records of the meeting. If refused you could take them to court (90/10 chance in your favor plus your expenses).
3. Get a petition together to amend the bylaws and change the quorum requirement.
4. Request a copy of the membership list and send a letter to each member. Identify the fact that there has been no elections due to failure to have a quorum at the annual meetings. Include a proxy form and request that they send the form to you or give it to a neighbor so a quorum can be obtained and a proper election held. Don't say anything more in the letter, just a simple statement of the fact. (better than 50/50 - but participation is fickle sometimes - plus expense for printing and mailing).

If I was the one involved, I would approach the issue by using methods 2 & 4.

Hope this helps,

Tim
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Todd, I do not think it is a contract violation because 3.04 refers to special meetings and says "may" not "shall". But it is a violation of acceptable conduct for holding an annual meeting. With the apathy in attending HOA meetings the quorum requirement for your HOA I would try to reduce the quorum requirement from 60% to 10%.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Sorry, my mistake. Your posted 3.04 refers to all meetings so delete the word special from my statement that "3.04 refers to special meetings".
HB (Oregon)
Posts: 143
Posted:
I would say that since there was not a quorum to properly elect anyone that the current Board carries over. We have a very difficult time getting anyone to show up at our annual meeting, at least not enough to constitute a quorum. The past two years we have had to call around to neighbors during the meeting to try to get more people. Not that it is a huge deal because we would just carry on as usual (with the same Board members).

I think the key word is "may" as everyone else pointed out. The Board is not required to volunteer additional time to hold another meeting when nobody showed up to the first one.

We have a few homeowners who would like to have regular monthly meetings, however the 3 meetings we have each year are attended by maybe 1 or 2 people. We don't have enough business to hold more meetings and certainly not enough participation to warrant them.
ToddP1 (Texas)
Posts: 4
Posted:
So are we to ignore 7.3 and 3.01? Isn't it clear that the intention of the annual meeting was to have a completed election and as such an incomplete election is a violation of the covenants?
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
This is just my opinion, but this was a meeting of the members and not the board, therefore, again my opinion, no judge will or should ignore the fact that the members have a right to call or adjourn the meeting as stated in the by-laws.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By ToddP1 on 12/26/2009 7:12 PM
So are we to ignore 7.3 and 3.01? Isn't it clear that the intention of the annual meeting was to have a completed election and as such an incomplete election is a violation of the covenants?

Todd,

I, and others, agree with you that one of the intents of the annual meeting was to elect a Board of Directors. The problem is, the intent of governing documents (and various laws) does not always correspond to the language used when expressing the intent. You can look at almost every loophole found in various laws as a demonstration of this point.

Even if everyone agreed that it is a violation of the agreement between the Association and the member, I tried to give an example of how the Board may have technically upheld it's obligation when I summarized the issue in my earlier post. Robert pointed out that the membership who attended the meeting; could have voted to suspend the meeting (and call neighbors to try and get a quorum), can make a motion for the Board to call a second meeting.

For the sake of argument, lets say everyone agrees and the Board didn't find a loophole and by failing to hold a second meeting to elect a new Board of Directors. What are your options (some of these were stated earlier):

1. Notify the Board that they are in violation and to explain their actions (Based on your posting, I expect that this was already done).

2. Since you believe the quorum to be in question, send a certified letter to the Board, citing Art. 1396-2.23 of Texas non-profit corp. law, and ask to review the proxy appointments and documentation of how the quorum was determined. If the Board agrees, you will have to make time available to review the records and there may or may not be a small cost associated with this (as allowed by law). If the Board refuses, you may file a claim with the local courts. This will cost you time, energy and expenses.

3. File a complaint with the local courts to order the Board to hold more than one meeting until a quorum is met and an election is held. - This will cost you time, energy and money if you win. It will also cost you time, energy, money and possibly the Associations legal fees if you lose. Win or Lose - your lot and actions will possibly be under the microscope for any infractions.

4. Start a petition, as outlined in your bylaws and Texas law, to recall the existing Board. This will cost you time and energy as you go door to door but could have positive results in the ability to meet your neighbors and inform the membership. Depending on the personality of the Board your lot and actions will possibly be under the microscope for any infractions. If the Board refuses to accept your petition you might have to file a claim with the local courts.

5. Send a letter to each member. Identify the fact that there has been no elections due to failure to have a quorum at the annual meetings. Include a proxy form and request that they send the form to you or give it to a neighbor so a quorum can be obtained and a proper election held. Don't say anything more in the letter, just a simple statement of the fact. Members participation is fickle sometimes so this may or may not work. Depending on the personality of the Board your lot and actions will possibly be under the microscope for any infractions.

6. Start a petition to call a special meeting to amend the bylaws and change the quorum requirement. This will cost you time and energy as you go door to door but could have positive results in the ability to meet your neighbors and inform the membership. Depending on the personality of the Board your lot and actions will possibly be under the microscope for any infractions. If the Board refuses to accept your petition you might have to file a claim with the local courts.

Personally, I believe the larger picture is apathy with the membership vs. the Board finding loopholes in the documents. Had a quorum been met, an election would have been held and it's possible the same people would still be serving on the Board.

I stated that if I were in your shoes I would opt for a petition to change the quorum requirement and the mailing to members about proxy appointments in order to achieve a quorum. This would bring an issue to the members that might have them concerned enough to attend the meetings and it provides an option to those members who can't (or won't) attend to assign a proxy. It also achieves the same goal (of having an election) while minimizing financial risk to both myself and the Association. The reason why I would also want to minimize the risk to the Association is because I am part of the Association and would have a share of that risk (financial, public/realtor opinion, etc.) no matter the outcome.

Todd,

Again, lets say everyone agrees. Which option do you want to pursue?

Tim
ToddP1 (Texas)
Posts: 4
Posted:
The option to change the quorum isn't an option. With the board and developers' votes, the membership would not be able to stop the board from doing what they wish. They've already tried pass a rule to foreclose on homes with out a court review. Since court's won't foreclose for one year's worth of dues (now $200), they are creating fees in the form of legal fees (mostly for a lawyer that works for the management company) and the $200 yearly dues, if late by more than 30 days, becomes $3,000 plus and after a year it is over $15,000. Then they can foreclose even though a home owner only owes $200.

That action is lowering the value of my home and I want it to stop. I was hoping I could drop out of the HOA by claiming they violated the covenant.

BTW...if anyone happens to read this and doesn't have an HOA...be glad...be very very glad. It is a nightmare.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Todd, Do I read the developer is still in control? If so, you don't have an HOA yet. I suggest you look at the possibility of forming a Homeowners group external from the Controlling interests. You may be held to the contrtact you signed at closing but that does not mean conditions don't change and if anyone is causing you damage (loss of property values) don't you have the right to intervene?

I did not read all the posts here, but i believe you should get support of the other owners. Maybe it will end up a lost cause, I don't know, but if youi get twenty people together with vested interests you are going to make an impression and you will have that twenty people talent pool to draw on. Here it seems you are in a technical interprtation of some legal documents and the solution probably is to hire an attorney to figure out the language. All the while you feel your property values are going in the tank. Will your situation improve if the wording of these documents change? Won't the developer still have control, something you may not be able to change. I am not sure I offer much, other than look for another way to skin the cat.
ToddP1 (Texas)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RobertR1 on 12/27/2009 1:58 PM
Todd, Do I read the developer is still in control? If so, you don't have an HOA yet. I suggest you look at the possibility of forming a Homeowners group external from the Controlling interests. You may be held to the contrtact you signed at closing but that does not mean conditions don't change and if anyone is causing you damage (loss of property values) don't you have the right to intervene?

I did not read all the posts here, but i believe you should get support of the other owners. Maybe it will end up a lost cause, I don't know, but if youi get twenty people together with vested interests you are going to make an impression and you will have that twenty people talent pool to draw on. Here it seems you are in a technical interprtation of some legal documents and the solution probably is to hire an attorney to figure out the language. All the while you feel your property values are going in the tank. Will your situation improve if the wording of these documents change? Won't the developer still have control, something you may not be able to change. I am not sure I offer much, other than look for another way to skin the cat.

The developer is not in control, but like many neighborhoods, due to the down turn, we have some unused lots that have the same voting rights as developed lots. Since the developer created the HOA, if the developer combines votes with the board members and only 10% quorum is needed, they can pass anything without a single vote from home owners. That is why the 10% quorum is out.
HB (Oregon)
Posts: 143
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By ToddP1 on 12/27/2009 1:16 PM
The option to change the quorum isn't an option. With the board and developers' votes, the membership would not be able to stop the board from doing what they wish. They've already tried pass a rule to foreclose on homes with out a court review. Since court's won't foreclose for one year's worth of dues (now $200), they are creating fees in the form of legal fees (mostly for a lawyer that works for the management company) and the $200 yearly dues, if late by more than 30 days, becomes $3,000 plus and after a year it is over $15,000. Then they can foreclose even though a home owner only owes $200.

That action is lowering the value of my home and I want it to stop. I was hoping I could drop out of the HOA by claiming they violated the covenant.

BTW...if anyone happens to read this and doesn't have an HOA...be glad...be very very glad. It is a nightmare.

Since you are a member and thus partially responsible for how the HOA is run/operated, you can not "drop" out of the HOA. YOU are the HOA.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
HB,
You are right of course. However, that doesn't buy you any thing at the market. You need to use the power of the membership. Here we have an entrenched power of the membership tha according to Todd is corrupting the Hoa, but the power to do this is the same thing his group needs to do. Look at it that way, and the task doesn't seem impossioble. I expect he has suspecions of maybe 10 - 15 people. All you need to do is get 16 and you win, if the present holds. But it won't because Todd's group will have to offer a better way to run a railroad. That is progress.
FredN (California)
Posts: 87
Posted:
An Annual Meeting must be held (done)
Directors shall be elected at the annual meeting (willing to do but no quorum)

"""""""""If there is no quorum, Board may hold another meeting (chose not to)"""""""""

Per law, Directors serve until replaced or resigned (Existing Board continues)

I would think they would have a fiduciary responsibility to the members to have a second meeting and reduce the quorum to one half. Plus its a meeting of the members, not the board.

Am I wrong????
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Fred,
Life is not that simple, or life is that simple and people get it screwed up, if we want to accept that your post is the complete story. But it is not and you are presenting symptoms of the real problems. As I said in a post above, accepting all you say doesn't get you a seat at the table. Your owners must take charge and if it is done through a decree of the courts it will be costly, it will create wide rifts in your association, it will take time, lots of it, and you or someone is going to had to hold this all together, if you are going to court, you had better be ready to offer an improvement to what you have, and you will be suing yourself.

Consider not trying to re-invent the wheel, rely on the old tried and true method of internal political change. That's how your adversaries got there. Granted they got to where they are because of lack of the membership caring but the system will work if you work the system. There is no confusion about the actions of the Board being counterproductive, they are guilty, but they may or may not be breaking the law and harming the association in the eyes of some judge. You want change, you don't want to put your neighbor in jail. Change may establish your neighbor should go to jail but I doubt what you post is going to do it. But, if you insist on going down the court road with what you have, add the fact that the board should have made concrete steps to assure a Quorum. The judge will probably say they must make positive steps to insure a Quorum or do something that insures the business of the association be done. So who is he going to hold responsible for not attending meetings and participating in the operation, as you all signed up to do? That's right, your group also. Know your documents, know how to call a special meeting, be prepared to get a quorum there, know how to recall the board, your documents or state law will tell you. In the end someone must make a move to effect change, if you (whoever) want to go to court with what you got, go do it, mo one here can forbid you. This is all just opinion, and like all opinions are not legal advice, at least on this site.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Fred,
regards your comment about it being a meeting of members.

My position below, I have not received much support on this when it has been discussed in the past.
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It is called an Owners meeting, I take that seriously. I do not believe the Board HAS to conduct the meeting, I believe any member can call a Point of Order at the start of the meeting and (with a vote of those present) replace the Front table with a group of owners to conduct the meeting. I expect they would have to appoint a quorum of the Board number, appoint a secretary to keep minutes and conduct the meeting under common rules of order.

That is just me, and if I had my way, the concerned owners would have informed the sitting Board they were going to do this, ask for their cooperation, hold the members meeting and close it, then ask the Board to hold a Board meeting to discuss association Board business. I have no idea if this would work and the plan could be changed if necessary, but the documents call it a members meeting and it calls the other meetings, Board meetings. Why if not for some variation of the above.

In a practical sense, it doesn't seem that this is something you would want to do every year. For obvious reason and as long as business is being conducted to please everyone, why do it. I also support the Board should have an opportunity to address the membership at the annual meeting, in any fashion they wish. Certainly, treasurers reports, long range plans, assessments, etc, all fall under Board control.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Robert,

Sorry, my friend, but I must diagree with you.

First of all, the board members are charged with running the business of the assn and I believe most, if not all, bylaws state the Pres shall preside at ALL meetings of the members and the board of directors. If the members were intended to conduct the annual meeting, IMO, the bylaws would have a provision outlining the procedure. There are certain procedures which must be followed to hold a member's meeting which is another reason why it should be conducted by the BOD.

Secondly, you seem to feel that, just because it's a meeting of the members, the members should conduct the meeting. Well, if that's your only problem with the procedure, rest assured the members ARE conducting the meeting as all board members ARE members of the assn.

Lastly, as for calling a point of order and replacing the elected board members with members from the audience, IMO, that would be in violation of the bylaws. I know of no bylaws which allow for this procedure, do you? It really sounds like a coup is taking place!

The members can get together any time they wish and hold an informal meeting, but, IMO, the annual meeting and any special meeting of the members should defintely be conducted by the BOD.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Fred,

On the surface, I would agree with you in that a second meeting should have been called with a reduced quorum. However, you have not provided us with enough info to determines if there were other circumstances that caused the board to act in the manner in which they did. Mainly, were there more candidates than vacancies, or were there only enough candidates to replace the existing vacancies? Are nominations taken from the floor? If so, are there generally people who are willing to be nominated this way?
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Mary,
Of course you make perfect sense, as always, and base your commitment on your experiences and knowledge. If I recall the last conversation along these lines it was conceded that normally the Board runs the Annual meeting of the members, that is the way it is done. Speaking to the exception only and not to a specific post, what happens if the Board decides to conduct the meeting in an illegal fashion? Let's assume they voted on a dues increase and the documents say, explicitly that has to be done by a vote of the membership with prior notice and justification. The Board just moves on a does it and the minutes reflect the increase. Can the members take over the meeting? Suppose a member, board or otherwise brings council to the Annual Meeting? Don't they have to justify their presence? Can a member request that the room be cleared of all non-members or can the Board decree their presence is legal when they would have no knowledge of why a member would bring council to a Annual Meeting? Granted, all far fetched but is it out of the park? I don't know. I would ask if anyone having knowledge of a members annual meeting that was conducted by the members, please post about it. Certainly we have had posts that for what ever reason the entire board has announced at the annual meeting they resign or do not show up and owners have had to step in and assume authority, or did I just dream that?

I am NOT talking about replacing the Board, I am taking about who can conduct an annual meeting? I would also take exception to the Call for a Special Meeting under the documents as provided. If a special meeting is called to replace the Board and the Board decides not to conduct the meeting, what then?

All just talk from this end......subject of discussion.
FredN (California)
Posts: 87
Posted:
The term "may" which is the defining point for the Board in calling a second meeting, is correct. It is the Boards option to call a second meeting. The term "shall" is the defining point for your argument

The members shall elect a board at the first annual meeting.

That seems to state the members control the elections from the first election and there on after.

Tim seems to state that after the first election the board controls the process.

Roberts Rules of Parliamentary Procudure seems to state for the members.

anything else?

GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
It is also a possibility that the number of H/O's that showed for the first meeting aren't enough to make even the reduced quorum number and the BOD doesn't think the second turn out will be any better. If Todd thinks the BOD is doing something "fishy" then he needs to rally his fellow H/O's to either attend the meeting or if allowed give him their proxy.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RobertR1 on 12/28/2009 3:56 PM

I am NOT talking about replacing the Board, I am taking about who can conduct an annual meeting? I would also take exception to the Call for a Special Meeting under the documents as provided. If a special meeting is called to replace the Board and the Board decides not to conduct the meeting, what then?

All just talk from this end......subject of discussion.

Any member of the Association can preside over the Annual meeting provided the chair (usually the BOD president) turns it over to them, which IMO would be a rare occurrence. As to who presides at a special meeting, I can only go by our CC&R's but if correct % of H/O's call for a special meeting and the BOD fails to call it within X number of days, then and only then would the homeowners and not the BOD notice the meeting and preside over it.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Robert,

Of course I only speak to what the norm is and what the more accepted procedure is. A board acting illegally is not cause for the members to just take over and run the next members' meeting. The accepted behavior would be to take them to court! Two wrongs do not make a right!

Unless there is something in the gov doc which prohibits a member from bringing a guest to a meeting, whether it be a board meeting or a meeting of the members, I see no reason why it can't be done. The only thing the guest cannot do is vote and perhaps speak at the meeting. AZ law allows a member to designate, in writing, a legal representative who has the authority to attend meetings and speak for the member. I guess a member could request that the room be cleared of all nonmembers; but that doesn't mean it will be done. IMO, that would be up to the discretion of the presiding officer of the meeting (generally the board Pres.).

Many years ago when I lived in a different community the entire board did resign. A number of us members got together and organized a member's meeting and took care of all the pressing business until a new board could be elected. When there are extenuating circumstances the members just need to do what has to be done.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Mary,
This whole HOA business is crazy (in my opinion), the only thing that keeps it from flying off into outer space is a little glue provided by a few clear thinking people. Like many things now a days I suspect we are heading more and more to professional management. It's a mess.
Your comments as all good comments should raise other questions. I had a discussion recently about the duties of the President and was of the opinion that in SC law the President of the association acts the same as a CEO of a private business. It says so in our documents. But if you read further that statement is not defined in our documents and if you go read the duties of a President of a non-profit association, there is little specific direction there. Now, Robert's Rules may expand on the presidents duties regarding conduct at a meeting, and if Robert's is adopted by the non-profit, I suppose they have to abide. But look for specific duties of the president in our documents and state documents and it is not there. There is practically no ,"The president has blah blah authority to do such and such." It is more like, "The president shall guide and consult the Board when conducting association business." Maybe other documents are different, but that seems to be the posture the President is directed to assume. No pushing, no pulling, no unilateral decisions and in fact the only action taken by the association has to be with a consensus of the Board. We normally accept the president is the spokesperson for an association and we would expect the president of the board to represent the association in any contract signing, but has this authority been assigned by the documents? All our says is that this as an option, for the most part.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Because the president of an HOA is not the "boss," as we understand a "boss" to mean.

All members are equal in power, and it's only when they (the members) act in concert with each other, whether as directors running the day-to-day business, or the general membership voting in (required) majority, that the power means something.

In other words, there is no singular, individual "power" broker in an HOA.

It's only as a group that the power of the membership means anything.

So the president just does pretty much administrative stuff. Other than that, he/she, leads possibly, but by diplomacy, not iron glove, and only to the point that the majority of the membership allows.

RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Michele,
Your thoughts are well posed and probably close to the legal truth. Have we had this discussion about the Power of the president before? Is this Rule by Board majority true in all states or does the power of the Presidents vary?
I suppose it may be relevant to this thread if the President is selecting a company to a contract and he signs the agreement. But then I am not sure the Board members all or majority sign the contract. Not here where I am anyway.
You both have posted enough here to realize some Presidents do have an "iron glove" and do rule unilaterally in fact some treasurers and secretary seem to come across as bigger than life and refuse to answer to their fellow board members.
Oh well, I also agree there is much we don't know here, and I have am happy to see what is posted next.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Robert, some presidents may do that, but that is not what the purpose, role or intent of the office is about.

The board (by majority or whatever called for in the governing documents) is the entity that "approves" or accepts a contract.

The President signs it in his/her administrative role. Most contracts of which I am aware aren't set up for 5 or 7 or 9 "signers."

One, on behalf of the organization, is generally enough, and the President, in his/her administrative role, is the officer who is generally the one to do that. Although some boards may allow for the Treasurer or Vice President to be the signatory as well.

If a president is trying to get away with being an "iron glove ruler," or any sort of "ruler" or "boss" for that matter, then the power that exists in the board and/or the membership can nip that in the bud.

The association just has to have enough people willing to step forward and exercise their OWN rights, roles, and responsibilities to ensure that the "power" remains with the majority.

In other words, vote the bum out!

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