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SusanS9 (California)
Posts: 56
Posted:
Are directors required to give homeowners contact information for those homeowners who rent out their homes - for use during election by candidates who want reach out to homeowners and communicate their message, etc. Is is a provision in Davis Stirling?
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
Susan

Here is from Davis-Stirling.com

Membership List
Members have the right to inspect and copy the association's membership list, including members' names, property addresses, and mailing addresses (not phone numbers and not e-mail addresses). The right to inspect is at reasonable times, upon 5 business days' written demand. Corp. Code §8330(a)

Purpose for Request. The member requesting the list shall state the purpose for the request, which purpose shall be reasonably related to the requester's interest as a member. If the board reasonably believes that the information in the list will be used for another purpose, it may deny the member access to the list. If the request is denied, in any subsequent action brought by the member the association shall have the burden to prove that the member would have used the information for purposes unrelated to his or her interest as a member. Civil Code §1365.2(a)(1)(I)

Corporate Asset. A membership list is a corporate asset. Corp. Code §8338(a) Without the consent of the board a membership list may not be:

Used to solicit money or property unless such money or property will be used solely to solicit the vote of the members in an election to be held by their corporation.

Used for any purpose which the user does not reasonably and in good faith believe will benefit the corporation.

Used for any commercial purpose or purpose in competition with the corporation.

Sold to others.

Penalty for Misuse. Any person who misuses a membership list is liable for any damage caused by the misuse, including punitive damages for a fraudulent or malicious misuse. Corp. Code §8338(b)

Opt Out. Although Corp. Code §8338(c) allows for withholding the membership list if the association provides an alternate means of communication, the statute was modified by the Davis-Stirling Act so that boards can no longer withhold the list. However, members retain the right to individually opt out of the sharing of their names and addresses by notifying the association in writing that they wish to be contacted by an alternative means. Civil Code §1365.2(a)(1)(I)(iii)

SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Are your renters allowed to vote for officers?

We do not allow renters to vote for officers at our HOA. They have no vested interest in the property.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
The homeowners who rent their property are allowed to run for the board and have access to the mailing list, not the renters.
SusanS9 (California)
Posts: 56
Posted:
To clarify, question deals with access to contact information of homeowners who are landlords (rent out their home, live elsewhere). Association obviously has contact information for these landlords who have addresses other than the homes that they rent out (for monthly dues, communications from the Board, etc.) Can homeowners get that information during election for campaign purposes.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
Susan,

I ran for a board position in November and asked the BOD and PM for a membership list that included everyone eligible to vote in the election. This would include owners that rent their property out. I sent campaign flyer to all owners that had not opted out and many happened to be from out of state. No flyers were sent to the homes that were being rented out only to their owners. As long as the person requesting the list follows the rules it is legal for a candidate to obtain from the BOD or PM.
JimW8 (California)
Posts: 14
Posted:
Are directors required to give homeowners contact information for those homeowners who rent out their homes - for use during election by candidates who want reach out to homeowners and communicate their message, etc. Is is a provision

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my answer to that is, As a homeowner who sat as a board member for too many years to count, this is a bad idea and code law to hand out any information about other homeowners - Just because these people in Sacramento make some sort of code law to make this legal, you do not make a bad code law even worst than these so called politicans have made it.

Too many wacko's own a piece of real estate in common area's. The only way this should be done for a paying member who is current, needs to submit in writing why and for wwhat use. Make tham sign a liabity paper so they understand if it is found they have use the information giving over to them in any way illegal, they will be charge with a crime on the books. Also, only give information out when the other homeowner has giving permission -

As a sitting board member I would never allow it. I would make the person who is asking for information to sue us in court. If they lose
in court, the association attorney then would proceed to file laws sues for repayments.
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DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Jim,

My lorida HOA publishes a neighborhood phone book with "Name, Address Unit Number, and cell and e-mails are optional. I cannot tell you how often these come in handy. I think that to provide a list on a single request is a bit of a stretch for any one member to ask for BUT this still falls under inspection or right to view HOA documents as a resident list is part of the association documents.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Jim,

Most states allow a membership list to be given to any member who so requests one. If a particular member has petitioned the board to have his address redacted that may be done, otherwise all members' names and addresses are listed on the membership list.

Whether you agree with a particular law or not, as a board member you are obligated to follow it. IMO, you are not the type of person who should be holding a board position considering your views. To say you would ". . .make the person who is asking for information to sue us in court" is unconscionable to say the least. The fact that you would promote a lawsuit that the assn would most likely lose just boggles the mind!
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Mary,
Your last sentence is right on in how I view a statement like Jim's. Sueing the association over such a minor point would be a red flag for me as to what kind of demeanor this Board member has. Courts of law are now favoring the members when it come to interpretation of the HOA individual documents and proving that the HOA documents are not the infinite rulers in deed restricted communities.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
To Jim

Please take foot out mouth before walking, YOU WILL TRIP. The law I posted says the person must state a reason and there is a penalty for misue.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JimW8 on 12/24/2009 8:13 AM

As a sitting board member I would never allow it. I would make the person who is asking for information to sue us in court. If they lose
in court, the association attorney then would proceed to file laws sues for repayments.
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Jim,

I understand your concerns. However, forcing a member to take the Association to court because the Board refuses to follow the law will just cost the Association money (for their legal fees and the members legal fees), give a bad reputation of the Board to other members and, possibly, cause a perception of mistrust between the rest of the membership and the Board.

Tim
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TimB4 on 12/25/2009 4:10 AM
Posted By JimW8 on 12/24/2009 8:13 AM

As a sitting board member I would never allow it. I would make the person who is asking for information to sue us in court. If they lose
in court, the association attorney then would proceed to file laws sues for repayments.
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Jim,

I understand your concerns. However, forcing a member to take the Association to court because the Board refuses to follow the law will just cost the Association money (for their legal fees and the members legal fees), give a bad reputation of the Board to other members and, possibly, cause a perception of mistrust between the rest of the membership and the Board.

Tim

To disregard state law and state the member should sue the assn while knowing full well you are violating the law, IMO, could be viewed as a breach of fiduciary duty as you are NOT acting in the best interests of the assn.

IMO, Jim should be careful of what he says and who he says it too. People with his views and attitude should not be board members. Some people call these type board members the "gestapo".
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Nothing has been said here about condos.

What is the opinion on that.

Our umbrella HOA publishes a Phone Book and sold by the ladies club that lists homeowners of all property. Now with 2400 names possible, current may 1700 (guess) I expect if you didn't want to have it published you, could request so. I doubt that number of those that didn't agree to the listing would effect any elections.

Our condo has a listing of all owners of record, etc., and I doubt very much they could refuse to give you a copy if you were an owner. We also publish phone directory of condo owners.

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