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JosephC6 (California)
Posts: 1
Posted:
I am the president of a three member board. Our treasurer can be abrasive during board meetings and it's apparent that the behavior needs to be corrected. On one hand I'd like to replace the treasurer if someone else would be willing to fill her shoes, but like many other boards, we suffer from disinterested members who are unwilling to step in the role of board member. Additionally, she does other volunteer work for the association that I'm sure we wouldn't be able to get from any other board member to do so if she were to go we'd lose that resource.
So how do I go about asking an abrasive board member not to be abrasive while also not offending her and risking a hasty resignation?
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
The Board if it so chooses can reassign her to a different position, you can't replace her in most cases; the members elect the directors and the directors elect the officers. You deal with it like any other sensitive personnel problem; first try talking to her about "your" perceived impression on her manner. Take her out for coffee and talk about it out, she may not be aware of it, it might just be her way, it might be her reaction to something you're doing or she could be having problems no one is aware of which are causing her to act this way. Bottom line you're stuck with her until one of you resigns, is voted out or dies so learn to get along; you don't have to like each other but you do have to work together for the rest of the community.

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SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Is she abrasive generally, or only with her role on the board (treasurer)?

If she is just a general PIA, tell her privately that her demeanor is harming the board and ask her to rachet down her bossiness, etc. Be specific about how certain comments have affected the board.

If she is abrasive about her role, establish a Finance Committee to diffuse her power and that would be another buffer between her and the board.

Remove the rotten apple, I say. This can poison a board.

MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
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Posted By SusanW1 on 12/19/2009 6:50 AM

If she is just a general PIA, tell her privately that her demeanor is harming the board and ask her to rachet down her bossiness, etc. Be specific about how certain comments have affected the board.

No, no, no, no, no and no.

This is a bad move and I would never recommend such an action. Even seasoned, professional HR representatives would have a difficult time pulling this action off with any success.

If she is a PITA generally, then, as Glen said, you just learn to live with it. Don't acknowledge or reward the behavior, but do NOT try to tell her she is "harming the board" or ask her to "rachet down her bossiness."

People aren't idiots. They have the same eyes and ears you do, so if she is just generally an abrasive person, then they will see it and it has nothing to do with anyone else but her.

What the board can do is limit the amount of time or comments she can make by having specific items she can report on, asking her to please stick to the relevant details, and then simply move along after she's done.

If she attacks people in her role as treasurer, you can ask that any comments or opinions she feels she needs to direct to people be handled through the board (or the president).

It would help, however, if you were more specific and could give very specific examples of her "abrasiveness."

Very often "abrasiveness" is a gendered complaint.

Women are sometimes described as "abrasive," while men with the same demeanor will be described as "blunt," "assertive," "decisive," and so forth.

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Well, Michele, you and I can disagree on this.

By having an meeting with this person, the president creates an "official" record of having talked to her and given her a warning. This helps if and when there is a removal. She has been given notice, at least, that there is a problem. She can't say she was blind-sided.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Sorry, we can and do disagree. It would be not only wrong to do as you recommended, but could potentially blow up out of proportion or even result in highly unpleasant unintended consequences.

In the first place, the "president" is not the "boss" of the board. All board members are equals.

In the second place, it is inappropriate for anyone to give the woman a talking to.

She is a grown woman and she is not an employee of the board.

She is in an elected position. If the residents are offended by or put off by her behavior, then they simply do not elect her to the board again.

If the board is offended by or put off by her behavior, then they will not elect her to the position of treasurer again.

But to have a confrontation with her, because that is what it will be, regardless of how it's intended, would be the absolute wrong thing to do.

Why does there need to be an "official" record of a dressing down for her?

There doesn't. Not at all. Again, she is not an employee of the board. She is an elected member.

She is not violating any board rules by being "abrasive," and if she is violating board rules or protocol by speaking out of turn, or something like that, then that specific behavior is addressed and that behavior only.

You are making an awful lot of assumptions about this person based on one word.

Give her a warning of . . . what. . . exactly?

That she doesn't have an "acceptable" personality? Bogus.

Remove her based on . . . what . . . exactly?

Again, not being warm and fuzzy enough?

Given "notice" of . . . what. . . "problem" . . . exactly?

That people think she's grumpy?

Blinded is the LEAST she will complain about, and rightly so, if the president attempted to take her aside and "give her a warning."

MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
The first word in that last sentence should read: Blind-sided. . .
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Joseph,

With three members, you might consider having some person knowledgeable in How Board meetings should be conducted pay a visit. Don't have to be professional but you can find them also. Since this is an unpleasant situation it can cause ripple effects, and abrasive conduct is certainly not the face you as a Board wants to put forth. Maybe every getting a reference book and breaking it up into short 5 minutes sections to be read before each Board meeting might have the desired effect. Do it with the stated purpose of improving the demeanor of the whole Board.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Again, Robert, overstepping and over-reaching.

The woman is not violating any board policy, procedure or rule.

She is a grown woman, and, regardless of the "face" the board wants to put forward, each board member is his and her own person.

I would throw the president, or any other member, out the door if they tried to come and "educate" me on my "demeanor" for board meetings.

Seriously. This is patently offensive.

We have 5 board members. Each has a distinctly different personality and way of presenting him/herself.

Some are more meek, others are more outspoken. At any given time, some of them could be labeled "abrasive," but that's not in the scope or purview of any other board member to admonish or "instruct."

It's one thing if the person is disrupting meetings, or speaking out of turn (as in not called upon by the chair) or actually breaking some specific, clear protocol.

But this person is not. She is just "abrasive" at times.

Well, boo hoo. (is that abrasive enough?)

Again, if the residents don't care for her demeanor, then they can simply not vote her onto the board next time.

It just amazes me that people even suggest trying to control another board member -- just because of her personality and not because of improper conduct (in terms of rules, policies, or procedures).

What's to stop them from telling them how they should vote or what they should say, period?

Unbelievable.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Michelle,
I have decided not to dignify your remark with a response.

I posted ...............not to please you.

No further discussion.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
There's not to "dignify." There is no reason for you to take my response personally.

These aren't employees. Nor are they children. Nor are the other board members their parent or superior in any way, shape, or form.

I feel very strongly about this.

This isn't the only board on which I sit.

On some boards, I am the chairman.

On others I'm just another director or commissioner.

But in no case is any fellow director or commissioner responsible for any other director or commissioner's good or bad behavior.

If the person is not violating any rules, procedures, or processes, then it is nobody's place to take them aside and "counsel" them on their behavior or demeanor.

That is what friends, family or spouses are for, not fellow board members.

I can't think of any reason why people would think otherwise.

We have all sorts of personalities and attitudes on the various boards. How presumptuous is it to take the position that it is another board member's role to teach another how to act. I cannot image a scenario where that would be appropriate.

If someone is the president of a board that has a difficult personality on it, then they simply need to ensure that their own behavior is above reproach. That is what speaks to the tone of the board.

Again, Glen's advice is the most appropriate. Learn to work around such a personality. Realize that when they show their butt that others aren't stupid and can see. Just make sure that you, as chair of the meeting, do not let the dialog get out of control. If the treasurer gets into a back-and-forth with either another board member or another resident, simply take control of the meeting back and suggest everyone take a time out. Then move on to a different topic.

As members of all-volunteer or elected boards, we don't get to pick and chose who we serve with. Nor do we get to "train them up" in the type of demeanor or personality with which we prefer to work. We simply adjust our own expectations, pay attention to our own behavior and move forward one foot in front of the other.

We cannot control other people, we can only control our own reactions to them. As it should be.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
By the way, this discussion is an excellent example of what I'm talking about.

If people get their noses out of joint simply disagreeing with how to handle "abrasive" people, then how well do we think an "abrasive" person is going to take being counseled or criticized or chastized by anyone else at all?

Not well, that's for sure.

Especially when the person has no standing or place to make such a criticism or counsel.

Again, we are speaking about demeanor and personality only, and not legitimate violations of meeting protocol.

That can be handled with a discreet and diplomatic discussion. It probably still won't be a comfortable discussion, but it is more appropriate than one that simply addresses something as subjective as personality.
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
Joseph,

I'd have someone on the board have a chat with her. Start with how much the association appreciates all the hard work she does on the board and even mention some of the other things she contributes. While she is basking in the compliments say something to the effect of "I'm sure you are unaware of this but at times certain people take offense when they are harshly criticized (or whatever). We have some good folks on the board and it is important everyone works well together and is treated with respect." Ask her opinion on how to make things run more smoothly. DO NOT give the impression she is taken to task. People like this usually suffer from low self esteem and feeling unappreciated.

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