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ThomasC11 (California)
Posts: 210
Posted:
Our CCR's say that owners must park at least 1 vehicle inside their 2 car garage and that garage can't be used for storage. This rule has been neglected for years and we now have major parking issues.

Board claims we can't inspect garages, even though the garage is listed as restricted common area. I find it hard to believe that an HOA does not have the legal authority to do what it takes to enforce its own guidelines.

Any suggestions on how others enforce this?

thanks
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
If the problem is really bad......

Any time you see two cars parked out, just put a 1 page copy of the CCR regarding 1 car in garage, 1 car in driveway under their windshield wiper with that part highlighted and see how it goes. Even if 1/2 the people conform, you might solve the problem. People may have forgotten the rule. Don't assume everyone knows and lives by the CCR's People are busy, they couldn't care less until you bring it to their attention.

If that doesn't work, start a plan "b".
LoriL1 (Florida)
Posts: 78
Posted:
We have a similar rule in our CCR's...1 in the garage and 1 in the driveway and the garage cannot be used for storage making it unusable for parking. We also implemented a vehicle registration policy so we would have a better idea of how many cars each resident has. We do not inspect garages! If we know that a resident has 2 cars and one of those cars is continually (more than a few days) parked in our "overflow" parking, then that car is ticketed. It is one of our most difficult rules to enforce and is a constant battle.
DwightT (Idaho)
Posts: 664
Posted:
Does anyone have a written policy that they would care to share on how CC&R parking restrictions will be enforced?
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
It should be the same policy/procedure as how all covenant restrictions are enforced.

First letter is a courtesy warning.

Second letter is a formal warning with notice of fines.

Third letter is from attorney.

Fines due on XX date (usually 30 days from notice), and accrue daily/weekly/monthly until violation is corrected.

If the fines and/or letter form attorney do not heal the infraction, then legal action is begun.

Usually all that's needed in that case is the draft copy of the impending lawsuit.

Also, for offenses like parking, the timer does not "reset" if the parking is corrected, then they start parking in violation again in say, a month. That's considered the "second notice, third notice, etc."
JohnN4 (North Carolina)
Posts: 4
Posted:
What if they have motorcycles in the garage?
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
John,

IMO, a motorcycle is a vehicle so it's covered by the CCR restriction.
ThomasC11 (California)
Posts: 210
Posted:
Here is what our rules state:

Each resident owner shall park at least one (1) Authorized Vehicle within the unit’s garage or carport.

For purposes of this Rule, a Non-Authorized Vehicle shall mean and include - Motorcycles and motor driven cycles.

JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
So ...... if a person does not own an automobile they can not park their motorcycle/scooter/moped in the garage?

Rules are difficult to write!
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Thomas,

By "rules" are you referring to board-adopted rules or the CCRs? If the former, they can be amended as easily as they were adopted, but the latter would require a vote of the membership. Frankly, I don't understand why a motorcycle or other motor driven cycle cannot be parked in a member's garage. I would object to the HOA dictating what I can park -- or store -- in my garage. This is a terrible rule and, IMO, should be stricken.
LoriL1 (Florida)
Posts: 78
Posted:
Please consider this scenario. We are a 110 unit condo association (townhomes). Each unit has a 1 car garage & driveway. The community only has 23 unassigned guest/overflow parking spaces. Parking on the street is illegal in accordance with Florida Fire Prevention Codes. We do not restrict motorcycles from being parked in the garage because we consider it a motor vehicle, however garages cannot be used for other storage that would prevent a motor vehicle from being parked in it. If residents used their garages for storing personal items and then parked their cars in the unassigned spaces, there would be nowhere for guests to park. If a resident only has 1 car and parks in their driveway, they can do as they please with their garage, but if they have 2 or more cars, it's garage & driveway first! You may have ample parking in your community that garage restrictions are not needed, but unfortunately, not all of us do.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Lori,

Having ample driveway and garage parking is meaningless. In my community most homes have 3 car garages which equate to parking of 6 vehicle; however, parking is the biggest violation noticed each month. People use their garages to house all their junk and if they need more than 3 driveway spaces they just park on the street. My assn does not dictate what your garage can be used for. Our rule is that you cannot park on the street especially if your driveway has space. Those who do receive violation letters; some ignore them and they receive fines. We cannot tow cars because our street are public; however most condos have this ability. I don't believe it's proper to dictate what "must" be stored in your garage; however, the BOD can definitely say that if you don't park your vehicle in your garage or on your driveway then you will receive a violation notice and possibly also fines.
LoriL1 (Florida)
Posts: 78
Posted:
Aah...my kingdom for a 3 car garage! I guess you're right, Mary...no matter how many personal parking spaces they have, some people are going to want more. I think we're both basically making the same point, just stating it differently. Like I indicated in my earlier post, if they only have 1 car and park it in the driveway, they can use the garage for storage. It's only when the storage of personal items creates a situation where they start using the unassigned overflow parking areas instead of the garage that there is an issue. It's really amazing how quickly they make other arrangements after getting that first bright yellow ticket on their car! We don't have too many issues with street parking because we do have the ability to have the car towed.

Thanks!

KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By ThomasC11 on 12/18/2009 2:46 PM
Here is what our rules state:

Each resident owner shall park at least one (1) Authorized Vehicle within the unit’s garage or carport.

For purposes of this Rule, a Non-Authorized Vehicle shall mean and include - Motorcycles and motor driven cycles.

In my opinion, this would mean that the owner can park at least one car in the garage, so it may be possible to have one in the garage and two on the driveway. I think that the problem with the writing of this rule is the use of word "shall". In my opinion, it does not imply mandatory. If the language said they "must", I would consider that to be an imperative, but because it does not address all situations (such as a homeowner not owning an authorized vehicle or an owner parking in the driveway 5 non-authorized vehicles), then I would believe the context of the rule to imply that in the event a homeowner is in possession of an authorized vehicle, then the are allowed to park at least one in the restricted common area.

To me, this rule would have to go through a rewrite specifying in what event and where a vehicle may be parked.
DwightT (Idaho)
Posts: 664
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MaryA1 on 12/19/2009 1:30 PM
Lori,

Having ample driveway and garage parking is meaningless. In my community most homes have 3 car garages which equate to parking of 6 vehicle; however, parking is the biggest violation noticed each month. People use their garages to house all their junk and if they need more than 3 driveway spaces they just park on the street. My assn does not dictate what your garage can be used for. Our rule is that you cannot park on the street especially if your driveway has space. Those who do receive violation letters; some ignore them and they receive fines. We cannot tow cars because our street are public; however most condos have this ability. I don't believe it's proper to dictate what "must" be stored in your garage; however, the BOD can definitely say that if you don't park your vehicle in your garage or on your driveway then you will receive a violation notice and possibly also fines.

Mary - by any chance does your HOA have your rule documented and if so, would you be willing to share the verbiage? It sounds like your rule is very close to what we are after.

What I am looking for is something that states when the violation process gets started. Do you send a letter every time you see a car parked in the street? If not, then is there a set time-limit for how long or how frequently a car may be parked on the street? How do you determine that a particular car is in violation?

We don't want to tell people that they can't allow their guests to park on the street for a short period, but we also don't want homeowners parking their own cars on the street on a regular basis. I just want to document the process that we will follow in determining when to start sending the violation notices.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Dwight,

Following is the portion of our "parking" rule that pertains to parking on the street:

"Routine on street (curbside) parking of vehicles by residents is prohibited when garage or driveway space is not totally utilized. If on-street parking becomes necessary, it must be restricted to a maximumn of 8 hours per day without establishing a day-by-day pattern.

"Parking on the street within 25' of an intersection is strictly prohibited. The BOD must approve any liberalization of the parking rule as discretionary for the unusual residence.

"No vehicle shall be parked on a street for more than 24 hours without being utilized for transportation.

"Visitors, when making short visits or attending social affairs, may park on the street.

"Notwithstanding the provisions of Section 4, Rule 1, a motor (mobile) home, travel trailer, truck camper, boat or other recreational vehicle, for the purpose of cleaning and loading or unloading such a vehicle or boat, may be parked in front of or in the driveway of the vehice or boat owner's residence for a period not to exceed 24 hours prior to departure on a trip and a period not to exceed 24 hours upon returning from a trip."

Our manager checks for parking violations at 3 AM! Yes, that's right 3 AM. That way she knows the vehicle is definitely in violation. A violation notice would be sent whenever the violation is noticed. In other words, we don't give the member a bye on the first sighting of a violation; however the first violation notice is just a "friendly reminder" and carrys no fine. Actually AZ law prohibits an HOA from fining b/4 the member is given a chance to speak to the BOD. At this point we're in the process of reviewing the parking restrictions.
RobertG (Arizona)
Posts: 505
Posted:
Back to the original topic - Garage Inspections - Legal?

We do have both the no parking on streets and no junk in garage limits in the CC&Rs. However, the questions still goes back to how do you enforce the garage issue. If the homeowner's garage is closed most of the time, how would you be able to say it is full? I doubt you can require the owner to open the garage for a check each week when the property manager does the drive through.

I don't think our HOA has ever issued a violation even though I would guess 50% of the homes are violators.
DwightT (Idaho)
Posts: 664
Posted:
Mary - Thank you. That will be a big help for us. I don't think we will have 3 AM parking checks, but we can probably come up with something. We do have a couple people that take early-morning walks.

Thanks again.
DwightT (Idaho)
Posts: 664
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RobertG on 12/28/2009 5:34 AM
Back to the original topic - Garage Inspections - Legal?

We do have both the no parking on streets and no junk in garage limits in the CC&Rs. However, the questions still goes back to how do you enforce the garage issue. If the homeowner's garage is closed most of the time, how would you be able to say it is full? I doubt you can require the owner to open the garage for a check each week when the property manager does the drive through.

I don't think our HOA has ever issued a violation even though I would guess 50% of the homes are violators.

Robert - I would think that a policy similar to what Mary posted could also help here. You don't need to inspect their garage every time to see if it is being used to store junk. If your restrictions state that they are supposed to park first in the garage, and only when the garage is full (of cars) then they can park in the drive way, but they consistently park in the drive, then you send them a courtesy notice that they are in violation and ask them to make arrangements with the property manager to demonstrate that they are in compliance.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Robert & Thomas I doubt the CC&R's give the BOD the power to enter someone's private property to inspect garages and I shudder to think of the news stories that would follow such an action. I still remember the HOA that hired a helicopter to look in someone's back yard because they couldn't see it from the street and thought there might be a violation. Ask yourselves how you would react if someone from the BOD or MC knocked on your door and asked to take a peek in your garage to make sure you were in compliance?

Now if the BOD or PM wants to wander around the community with a camera to capture any violations visible from the street through an open garage door that IMHO is allowed.

Link to helicopter story: http://www.click2houston.com/investigates/10258247/detail.html

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