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JimW8 (California)
Posts: 14
Posted:
Our board in their wisdom has decided to take a stance on allowing wood burning / charcoal burning barbeques on lower level units of the condo's -

what is happening is the gases and smoke from these type of barbeques are rising up to the upper unit which is directly above- the smoke and gases are going through open doors, windows and ac unit building sleeves. these sleeves are inserted thru the buiding wall out to patio or balcony area of unit - not a sealed unit

the board members all live on bottom units and have decided this is not a nauisance for the owners living up above

either a law suit will be needed or something. I was on the board for several yrs
but needed to take a break and now the new people are allowing this to go forward

the board members have been notify about this with letters and the nauisance that it is causing -
any one out there have a answer on something like this problem

Thanks
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Jim
Are fire regulayion considered.
Check you documents and see if this or any action taking by an individual ca not infringe on the peace and quiet of your neighbors. If you have several people involved all go to a BOD meeting and voice your concerns, cite applicable documents, submit concerns of your group in writing to BOD and request an resolution by a specific date. No answer............get all support you can get and hire lawyer to write letter to Board and ask a reply.........get a written reply. If your group agrees, take them to court to clarify your documents. I assume this is a condo under state condo laws, I bet there is a section that deals with this, but first check local fire codes with fire department, especially open flame cookers like charcoal of propane, storage of tanks also. I live in condo and we have a Bar B que area with gas grills, all approved and no grilling anywhere else. That's fair.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Jim as Robert pointed out it is more than likely that this is a violation of the Fire Code so you should check with the local Fire Marshall to see if it's a violation in your community. Generally the law bans grilling with charcoal and natural gas unless the decks have automatic sprinklers. Grilling with propane is OK if tanks are tiny (2lb), fit for camping. All grilling is OK if apartment balconies are made of non-combustible materials such as stucco, concrete or brick or if it is done at least 10 feet away from combustible materials. However it may be a violation to store a grill with a normal (20lb) propane tank within 10 feet of combustible material.

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RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Thanks Glen,
I appreciate you expanding on the Fire Codes.

But if none of this proves to be effective or a violation, you still have the option of closely looking at your documents for that nuisance reference, that is contained in many documents, I believe.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Wood burning or charcoal burning grilling is not the same as propane gas grill.

Which is it that you object to?

JimW8 (California)
Posts: 14
Posted:
I thank all who have giving an answer. I have check local and state fire codes and they do state that this is not allowed and the board from the rumor mill going around will give a answer to this problem at next meeting to vote on it.

the local fire dept states they follow the state code which does not allow this to go on wooden balcony areas or patio's of combustible material in place that is closer than a ten ft radius

the insurance for the condo hoa says they will pay in case of fire - In letters I have sent thru, I have inquired that the board get this in writing attached to the policy which I have stated in letters that when not in writing, this is harded to prove especialy when it comes from the insurance company to pay out.

I have stated in memo's that this will be overlooked when anf if there is a fire due to this because when this statement was made by insurance agent, the people on the board now will probably be long gone from hoa.

I don't know why the board members seem to have blinders on when it comes to safety - there are other owners concern of this and I have told them to speak up about this, but as we know people in general want someone else to take care of it and not be bother.

As they says " ears are burning" with more to come in the saga

just a little bit of my humor

JimW8 (California)
Posts: 14
Posted:
please read the information I have put out - smoke and gases from wood burners and charcoal creates an unliveable home when directly above the lower unit residence who operates an burner/cooker of this nature
AnnaD2 (Florida)
Posts: 960
Posted:
Isn't California one of those states that has issues with people even smoking in their own condos? Why should people on the upper floors have to put up with this type of air pollution?

I see two other issues here:

1. Board members are using their positions for personal gain.

2. They are allowing some members to have "extra" use of areas where others may not benefit.

We have specific rules about using grills. Grills must be used at least ten (10) feet from the back of the buildings. That is the State Fire Law. It's not limited to just those who live on the first floor. People on the second floor are allowed to grill behind the building, too, but ten feet from the building.

They seem to be discriminating against the people on the upper floors. Tell them they can't do that. Then wave to them when you're outside THEIR windows cooking your liver on the grill.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Jim,
CA might be different, I doubt it, but where I live you would or could ask for a Fire Department Inspection and this would result in the BOD receiving a letter from the Fire Department stating Regulations. Your BOD of Directors should already have this stuff on file. If Regulations are ignored the owner will receive a citation and so will the BOD.
What is unclear is why didn't you ask for an inspection. I did, they didn't shoot me and we now have an assigned grilling area that is the only place to grill. I live in three story stucco and siding building, I would not tolerate this happening, as I am sure many on this site would agree. It is all the things cited here, and it is dangerous and in is clearly a owner reswponsibility if the Board ignores the reality. This is at least one thread that we can honestly say exactly what is to be don. All predicated with what we are told being factual.

DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Jim,

Perhaps your documents address offensive odors or noxious smells. I know that mine do so it might be a very small statement under use of unit. Condos especially need to have such type of control because of the way smells drift up to units.

But your best bet is the fire regulations which if not followed, you can call the fire dept and they can issue citations for hazardous use conditions. You just may have to skirt around your Board on this.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Jim,

Don't forget about city/co code, too. If it is a code violation let the city/co take care of it. I'll bet it would really make your day to have one of the offending board members receive a city/co code violation on top of a citation from the F.D.! LOL

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