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DeeS1 (Michigan)
Posts: 223
Posted:
How are bylaw changes predominately initiated in your community?

We are struggling with what we want the board's role to be in initiating/proposing changes to the bylaws that affect HOs (pools, statues, etc., not administrative issues).

For our small community, the cost of notice, legal review, special meeting, and recording (guessing around $500 per "event") would eventually have an impact on dues. We are trying to decide if we want HOs to take the initiative (with the board's assistance if necessary) for the issues that are important to them or if the board should proactively initiate votes when an issue appears more than once.

For a HO to propose a change, they must get a petition of 1/3 HOs (18 or so) to bring a vote forward and receive 66 2/3 vote of the community (35 or so). The vote can be held via mail, annual meeting, or special meeting.

Do most boards just start the process after they receive a few complaints on a rule or do you wait for a HO to start the process? How much, if any, additional guidance to you give HOs who start the process (I assume boards are not always going to support the HOs amendment idea).

Clear as mud? :-)
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Bylaw amendments must be presented to the board 90 days before an annual meeting. The board simply sees if the proposed amendment is consistent with other byalws, is legal and feasible. the board makes no judgement on the proposed bylaw.

The proposed bylaw is announced in the notice of the annual meeting. The vote is taken at the meeting.

In the case of several bylaw amendments or a total revision, the board has sponsored a two evening Q/A and a reading out loud of the proposed amendments. this gets out all the questions, etc. At that time, the board may or may not give its "blessing" of the amendment, but the real power is in the hands of the membership.

At a duly called, quorum-met meeting, only a majority vote is needed to pass the amendment. However, since our dues amount are stated in the bylaws, a 2/3 is required for amending the rate.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Dee,

First of all bylaws traditionally do not include rules (restrictions) but rather the administrative functions of the assn. The rules are contained in the CCRs. If yours do contain rules, perhaps your amendment should remove them and have them put into the CCRs. CCRs = Covenants, Conditions, Restrictions, etc.

Generally only the CCRs are required to be recorded with the Co. recorder. Also, in many assn's the bylaws can be amended by the BOD w/o a vote of the membership. The reason is because the bylaws contain only administrative procedures. However, if the membership is required to vote on an amendment, it is usually a majority vote. Even the vote required to amend your bylaws sounds like a vote to amend the CCRs.

I'm wondering what's included in your CCRs.

But, getting to your questions:

The board can propose an amendment or, according to your docs, a petition of 1/3 of the h/o's can propose an amendment. IMO, the intent is to give the h/o's the authority to propose amendments, therefore the board cannot just decide not to go through with the amendment process. Unless the proposed amendment is in violation of the gov docs, the board must follow through with the amendment process, whether they agree with the proposed amendment or not.
DeeS1 (Michigan)
Posts: 223
Posted:
Hi Mary:

I didn't mean to imply that the board would want to block an amendment for any reason. I'm just trying to get a feel for the level of action that most boards take to start the process, if any -- what they feel their responsibility is toward this for the community. From our governing docs, either the board may initiate, or the HO may initiate. Right now, if a HO requests something that must be denied per the bylaws, our MC explains why it is denied and tells them (politely) where to look in our docs for the process to change ... "it only takes 66 2/3 of the HOs to change something" he says.

Most HOs aren't willing to do anything further (except complain :-). Once a petition is brought forward by HOs, the process would be the same ... but if the board desired, WE could bring the matter before the membership without needing to do the petition, which would save the HO some effort. Basically, do we want the board do this regularly or do we want to require the HOs to get the petitions is what I'm getting at. How much responsibility do boards usually take for initiating the process.

As far as our docs, we don't have CCRs. We are in MI and zoned site condo. our comparable docs would be recorded Master Deed (defines the property) and Bylaws, which contain a major section for "ARCHITECTURAL, BUILDING SPECIFICATIONS AND USE RESTRICTIONS". We also have Rules and Regs that further quality this section (not recorded).
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Dee,

Why does the BOD have to do anything at all? If the required nr of members bring forth a petition the board must act upon it; otherwise there's nothing to do. If the board feels an amendment is in order they can put forth the proposal for a member vote. Amendments aren't something that should be taking place all the time. My assn is over 20 yrs old and there has only been one amendment to the bylaws and one to the CCRs in all that time.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Dee, I'm with Mary.

We (the BOD) rarely take it upon ourselves to bring a proposed amendment forward. I can only think of ONE time we did that (our sign amendment), but that was because we needed to update it to allow for political signs and security warning signs.

The association belongs to the homeowners and there is a prescribed method for homeowners to affect changes to the documents.

Our role is to enforce what is there.

If people are complaining about various covenant, then, if they feel strongly enough about it, they should do the work to garner the support to bring an amendment of that covenant to a vote of the membership.

The ONLY role we play, as a BOD, is to point them to the documents for the process.

People will always complain about various covenants.

Why do you think you need to work to amend the documents just because people complain about them?

Now, if we get a petition with the requisite number of people "complaining" about a specific covenant, then that is another matter.

But you don't just drop everything and say, "Oh, okay," because you get a few people who don't like a covenant or two.
DeeS1 (Michigan)
Posts: 223
Posted:
Hum ... I'm trying to think of a couple examples...

Our bylaws say decks can not exceed the side edge of the house. Time and time again, we get alt/mod requests that show stairs or walkways wrapping around along side the garage to the front house. Typically HOs grumble and complain, but eventually change their design and move on. Frankly, some board members like the rule, some don't, and some don't care. Would most boards wait for a HO to propose an amendment or would the board initiate the amendment?

Another would be pools. We get a couple request for the big inflatable blue pools each season. Bylaws say "no above ground pools." HOs go away mad. At what point do most boards decide to bring issues like this to a vote vs requireing the HO to do it?

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Dee,

Our bylaws have been amended a couple of times. Various methods were used:

1. Proposed as a motion at annual meeting by a homeowner for the board to consider bringing the proposed change forward to the membership at the next annual meeting.

2. Board of Directors proposed some on their own.

3. Petition by the membership.

Check you legal documents to see how they may be amended. You could also check your States corporate law (if the Association is incorporated) or any property/HOA laws to see if they mention the procedure.

Tim
DeeS1 (Michigan)
Posts: 223
Posted:
Thanks Tim.

Can you provide an example of what type of ones the board proposed and why?
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Dee,
Listen to what Mary and Michele are saying. Rules are not By-laws. Now if you have rules in your by-laws, change the By-laws to get rid of the rules and cover them under rules that that can be changed by the Board. Certainly, pool hours and inflatables are not by-laws, they are rules and regulations or code of conduct or can be called anything I guess. Your Board should establish something along these lines and it should be a day to day manual, subject to change by vote of the Board (Their job).
DeeS1 (Michigan)
Posts: 223
Posted:
I've reviewed only about 6-7 other community's documents in my area and all are done in a similar fashion. For SITE CONDOS (which I believe might be a unique MI thing, or at least more common in MI), the community's do not have traditional CCRs, they have MasterDeeds with Bylaws and Site Plans attached as Exhibit A & B.

These Bylaws usually (always in the ones I've seen), contain a limited Article on Architectural elements and Restrictions (Fences, Pets, Signs, Pools) and often require 66 2/3 vote to change (like many CCRs). Usually they also contain provisions to create additional Rules and Regs, which require a smaller percentage vote to amend by HOs OR may be amended by board vote. In our case, HOs may not add or change these rules, only remove them IF they were not adopted prior to the transitional control date.

Right now, since all our Rules and Regs were developer written, homeowners can do nothing with them (only the board can). The HOs can really only amend the bylaws.

FYI -- Site Condos are very popular in MI because they allow a developer to get site plan approval much faster than for a platted sub. Most new constructions subdivisions are zoned this way even though they are typical single-family homes. It puts them under the Condo Acts for regulations and many FHA lending requirements, which has been a nightmare.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Dee,
Actually, I live in a condo in South Carolina and our documents contain, Declaration, Master deed and By-laws,, plus exhibits, I think we have 8 or 9 exhibits.

Our By laws restrict the owner to one small pet weighing blah, blah and must be leashed at all times.
Our rules states where these animals are allowed on common property, and where they are not allowed.
In order to change the By Laws we must amend, in order to change the rules the board does it. We are thinking of designating a pet area, we can do that with a rule. It appears your requirements to change day to day operation is cumbersome. Maybe you all need to sit down and make an amendment to the Master deed and by-laws. We did and now our documents read the First Amended Master Deed and by-laws. I certainly endorse your comparing other nearby documents. I would look particularly if they have made any amendments, see how they did it. Should be in their minutes or Board reports, etc.
Of course you understand if you were to change your documents, seek good legal council.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
I am in the process of amending our by-laws for our association.It started with a botched election.
First step is getting the by-laws amended to change the quorum rules so we can have "fair" elections and also change the percentage for voting on amending the by-laws.
Afterwards, vote out the BOD and vote in a new BOD, set up a rules and goverance committee and get the governing docs up-dated to match new California laws.
I am one that believes the HO's should have the authority and resposibility to make changes that are within the laws.
JeanneK3 (Maryland)
Posts: 562
Posted:
Dee:
While amending By-laws, beware the following:

MHA Homeowner Alert – Revising By-Laws

Maryland passed ground breaking legislation in 2009 that further safe-guards homeowners living in Home Owners Associations (HOA) or Condominiums.

However, if you live in an association that is working to revise or amend HOA/Condo governing documents, here are some important tips to keep in mind as you review and prepare to vote on those changes.

Homeowners, or a committee of homeowners, should review new wording thoroughly, comparing existing wording to new wording line-by-line. This works best by having old text and new text in different fonts or colors while reviewing the documents.

1. Beware of boiler plate documents that completely replace old documents with new, and often inappropriate, guidelines.

2. Beware of language that states the homeowners should pay “all attorney fees actually incurred by the Board of Directors.” This wording obligates homeowners to pay for the Board’s attorneys’ fees, as well as their own attorney’s fees, even if the judgment is in favor of the homeowner. Such wording sets up a “no-win” situation for homeowners and could lead to bankruptcy and/or foreclosure for any homeowner unfortunate enough to be put into this situation. California has addressed this issue with Civil Code 1354(c) which states “in an action to enforce the governing documents, the prevailing party shall be awarded reasonable attorney’s fees and costs.”

3. Beware of documentation wording that gives the Board the ability to file a lien for unpaid fines and then foreclose on the property. Wording such as: “the Board shall have the power to impose reasonable fines which shall constitute a lien upon the property and shall be collected in the same manner as any other assessment levied against a unit owner…” should be avoided. Recently California and Florida have passed legislation to prohibit associations from including fines in a lien and fines may not be characterized, nor treated in the governing documents as an assessment which then becomes a lien. Arizona has passed legislation that an association can file a lien for unpaid fines, but the lien cannot be collected until the property changes ownership.

MHA recommends that before voting for any amendments to HOA/Condo governing documents, homeowners carefully examine changes, and if the language or intent of the changes is unclear, require the Board to explain the reasons for the change and explain the implications of new wording. A clear understanding of governing documents is essential so that homeowners can vote wisely to safeguard their homes.

Prepared by Maryland Homeowners’ Association, Inc.
www.marylandhomeownersassociation.info, 301-654-9242
July 2009

JeanneK
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
JeanneK,
I went to your website and peeked around. Certainly seems you represent a very fine organization and you appear to be one of the star players. It shows in your writing and presentation and context. I find your post here worthy and informative. How much contact does the organization have outside Maryland. Just from first impressions you seem to have had some success in operating a volunteer non-profit company. I don't imagine it would be proper to post these answers here, but maybe you would not mind sending a link to those interested. Check it out if you post from Maryland, I just googled her reference.

I do not think this should become a habit and hope that it don't, but we do have several other organizations that post here.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DeeS1 on 12/08/2009 8:10 AM
Hum ... I'm trying to think of a couple examples...

Our bylaws say decks can not exceed the side edge of the house. Time and time again, we get alt/mod requests that show stairs or walkways wrapping around along side the garage to the front house. Typically HOs grumble and complain, but eventually change their design and move on. Frankly, some board members like the rule, some don't, and some don't care. Would most boards wait for a HO to propose an amendment or would the board initiate the amendment?

Another would be pools. We get a couple request for the big inflatable blue pools each season. Bylaws say "no above ground pools." HOs go away mad. At what point do most boards decide to bring issues like this to a vote vs requireing the HO to do it?


So what, Dee?

I mean really, a COUPLE requests??

The HOs grumble but eventually change the design.

Seriously, I'm all for a proactive board, but the point that the board would get involved with initiating a covenant amendment shouldn't be because a handful of people are the loudest at being crybabies.

I would suggest that the board take a proactive position on covenant amendments when the covenant puts the association at risk by being either unenforceable or by being worded in such a way as to potentially not survive a legal challenge.

Not because of some grumpy homeowners who aren't even interested enough in the change to invest the legwork and sweat to make it happen.

You are not their customer service reps.

You have a responsibility to the integrity of the documents.

If some covenants are just making a few homeowner's lives miserable, that's too bad. They were aware of the restrictions when they took title.

If some of the covenants are creating potential legal landmines, identify those and fix them.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Dee,

There were three:

#1 - This measure Failed at a vote by the membership

That Article VIII, Section 8(a) relating to the duties of the President is amended by deleting: “and shall co-sign all checks and promissory notes” and inserting, in lieu thereof: “and shall co-sign all checks and promissory notes exceeding $800”.

Section 8a currently says:

The President shall preside at all meetings of the Board of Directors; shall see that orders and resolutions of the Board are carried out; shall sign all leases, mortgages, deeds, and other written instruments and shall co-sign all checks and promissory notes.

#2 - This measure Passed at a vote by the membership.

That Article VIII, Section 8(d) relating to the duties of the Treasurer is amended by deleting: “cause an annual audit of the Association books to be made by a public accountant at the completion of each fiscal year” and inserting, in lieu thereof: “cause an annual audit of the Association books to be made by a public accountant at the completion of every second fiscal year.”

Section 8d currently says:

As treasurer, the treasurer shall receive and deposit in appropriate bank accounts all monies of the Association and shall disburse such funds as directed by resolution of the Board of Directors; shall sing all checks and promissory notes of the Association; keep proper books of account; cause an annual audit of the Association books to be made by a public accountant at the completion of each fiscal year; and shall prepare an annual budget and statement of income and expenditures to be represented to the membership at its regular annual meeting and deliver a copy of each to the members.

#3 - This measure Passed at a vote by the membership

Current

Section 1. These Bylaws may be amended, at a regular or special meeting of the members, by
approval of twenty-five percent (25%) of members present in person or by proxy.

Proposed:

These Bylaws may be amended, at a regular or special meeting of the members, by approval of 51 percent (51%) of members present in person or by proxy, provided that the proposed amendment has been delivered to the membership, or published in the community newsletter, at least 15 days before the vote on the amendment.

Reasons:
#1 - To eliminate the need to coordinate schedules for minor checks
#2 - To save money. Cost of last audit was $600
#3 - To clarify that a majority vote was needed at the meeting.

Tim
JeanneK3 (Maryland)
Posts: 562
Posted:
RobertR:
Thanks for the kind words. Since state laws vary so much, Maryland is all we can handle.
However, if anyone wants to contact MHA, use [email protected] and put to JeanneK in the message. JeanneK.
Jeanne
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
I don't think bylaws should have anything in them that can beome outdated. I am one for general bylaw amendments, with power given to the board for fleshing out the rules and regulations to go with the bylaw.

For example: the bylaws may say the board can establish a committe to set rules and reguations on the size and configuration of decks.

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