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NancyD5 (Wisconsin)
Posts: 71
Posted:
Our board is conflicted as to how to properly post the results our recent election for the 2010 BOD. Should we list all the candidates and how many votes they each received (some of which didn't get any votes) OR do we just post only the names of those receiving the most votes and who are on the new BOD? Thank you.
NancyD5 (Wisconsin)
Posts: 71
Posted:
I forgot to mention that we did our election by mail and that is why we need to send out something announcing the results
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
We only post the winning directors' names and not the vote count.
AnnaD2 (Florida)
Posts: 960
Posted:
For years we did it the same way as Michelle's association. Until last year. People wanted to know the vote tally. People said they had the right to know, just like every other thing they vote on. Some of the people who ran for the board wanted to know, too, just to see how close they came and if it would be worth it for them to try again.

It made sense to us so we posted the voting results. Didn't hear any complaining about it, either.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Nancy,

Our assn only announces the winners. However, if the BOD gets enough (a majority)complaints they can do as Anna's assn does. Otherwise, why embarrass anyone by posting vote tallies? Any candidate who is interested in knowing how many votes he/she received can just ask the mgr or a board member.
DeeS1 (Michigan)
Posts: 223
Posted:
I agree. Why embarrass the others. Perhaps you could announce the winners with their percentage of votes: "Jane Smith with 66% of the vote." My only concern with that is that it might community the sense that the higher vote getters are somehow more important board members.

How about just announcing the results and saying something like "detailed results are available upon written request" or something like that?
NancyD5 (Wisconsin)
Posts: 71
Posted:
Thanks to you and everyone else for their input on this matter. I really didn't want to include the vote tally so as not to make those with no votes feel bad but one other person on the board felt we should. I like you idea about adding "detailed results are available upon written request" and plan to suggest it to the other board members.
Thanks again.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Nancy,

Why not just say "upon request"? Why require a written request; isn't a phone call or verbal request ok? And I would limit the request to only the vote details of that particular candidate. In other words, why should Mary Jones know how many votes Jane Smith got? Giving out that info to anyone other than a candidate may only cause other problems in the community. My suggestion would be to say (if you even feel you need to say this!), "vote tallys will be given to any candidate upon their request".
DeeS1 (Michigan)
Posts: 223
Posted:
I think, normally, you would have appointed some sort of "inspector of elections," who verifies the results, so actual counts wouldn't be important ... are you allowed to do your actual BOD elections via mail? We can do everything BUT this by mail.
AnnaD2 (Florida)
Posts: 960
Posted:
I agree with ALL of you that is could be very embarassing to some people to see how few votes they received (or didn't).

But if it's available "upon request" why make people go through the motion of requesting it if it IS part of the "official records"; which in Florida is open for inspection by the members?

I know that I wouldn't want people asking ME who got how many votes. It would be "twisted" around that I'm gossiping and spreading information that wasn't included in the official posted election results. Heaven forbid I should misquote myself by reciting the wrong number of votes. Then I'd be labeled a liar.

Last year people were complaining that only the board members, the property manager and the vote tallying committee were the only ones who knew the vote counts; and that if we're supposed to be so "open" and "transparent" then they should know, too.

Can't win.
DennisT (Ohio)
Posts: 109
Posted:
Oh if we could all be so fortunate as to have your problem!

My association had over 100 units but most owners were young, active, working professionals who would be willing to send in their proxy naming the BoD as their proxy but never show up and nominate themselves or be nominated.

Every single year I lived there the election went with the attorney (who was running the meeting) saying "All in favor of closing the election and directing the secretary to cast a unanimous vote electing X and Y to the two open position on the Board of Directors say aye. AYE. Opposed say Nay. ... The motion carries, congratulations X and Y!"

It was always a scramble to get the as many candidates as we had openings. Perhaps because by and large people were happy with things and didn't feel like they needed to be involved particularly in light of their personal schedules. A shame really.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Dennis,

There's nothing wrong with electing by acclimation where there are the same number of candidates as vacancies. I agree it would be nice to have an abundance of candidates but I doubt that happens in very many assns. This year we had one vacancy and 2 candidates, a rarity. The incumbent won!
DennisT (Ohio)
Posts: 109
Posted:
Mary,

I wasn't implying that there was something improper about vote by acclamation. If you've got the same number of candidates as positions it would be quite pointless to make everyone fill out their ballots and waste time counting them.

My lament was that was how every election went. People would be all excited about making nominations but once we had the same number of candidates as seats the room would fall silent. Nobody wanted to nominate that +1 candidate that would have caused there to be an election where people had to choose.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Dennis,

Gotcha!

Is this a small assn where everybody knows their neighbors? If so, perhaps no one really wants to run against their friend and neighbor. Whereas it would be nice to have an actual election, as long as you are getting at least the nr of candidates needed to fill the vacancies, count yourself lucky. There are many assn's that can't even get that!
DennisT (Ohio)
Posts: 109
Posted:
Mary,

Nope... there are over 120 units in this particular association. We'd get an average of 40-50 owners present in person for the annual with over 75% by proxy.

You made an interesting point. We kind of had a neighborhood within the association. When I think about it, four out of the five board members were from the same two buildings that backed up to each other. It was these two buildings where the owners went above and beyond to make their common areas look good, gardens maintained way beyond landscaper minimum, etc. Not that the other units were neglected mind you, but most of the other folks were content to let the association fee take care of all the work.

It could well be that when it came time for nominations only people in the buildings that seemed to care the most would make nominations. Then when it came time to vote nobody wanted to run against the neighbor.

I'd have to go back through my records to see where the nominators and nominees lived. I bet they mostly came from these two buildings.

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