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JanetG1 (Missouri)
Posts: 3
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I am a committee member for an HOA in Missouri. We recently took over our HOA from the Developer and are in the process of revising our CC&R's. We routinely send notices to residents via e-mail, and also post the information on our website. For those who do not have email or do not wish to receive notices via email, we hand-deliver hard copies. This has worked well for us in the past; however, we have a new resident who claim MO statute prevents us from corresponding via email and says we must mail via USPS any notices to the residents. I have scoured the net and have been unable to locate any such MO statute to date. I have also searched here and found CA statute which allows document delivery via email, but would love to find something similar for MO. Does anyone have any insight or can point me to a reference for MO law?? Thanks in advance.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
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Since this person knows the statute (or claims to) ask them to provide a copy or the statute number so you can look it up. You do however need to check your CC&R's to see if email notification is allowable, or state law doesn't require it but our CC&R's do.

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BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
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WHatever happened to the Missouri State Motto?

If someone makes a claim, ask them very nicely, politely, and kindly to provide the proper documentation and proof, so that you can also learn and grow your understanding of the situation.

Show me! it's not just a motto, it should be a way of life.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
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Janet,

I don't know that you would find a state statute that would prohibit communicating with members by email, especially if that communication is also being made by other means to ensure that every member receives it. However, there are some states that have open meeting laws which apply to HOAs that would prohibit the BOD from conducting business by email. AZ is one of those states.

I doubt your board is doing anything against the law. As other have suggested, the person who made this claim should be asked to provide the reference to their claim.
JanetG1 (Missouri)
Posts: 3
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Thank you all for your responses... Our CC&R's do not currently address this issue; however, it is one of our planned revisions. We have asked (repeatedly) for the resident to provide a reference; however, she always has an excuse about why she doesn't have it available. I think our response at this point is going to be once she provides a reference, we will look into it, otherwise we will proceed status quo. If anyone else has another idea or point of reference, I'd be glad to hear it...
MicheleD (Kentucky)
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Posted By JanetG1 on 12/03/2009 11:06 AM
Thank you all for your responses... Our CC&R's do not currently address this issue; however, it is one of our planned revisions. We have asked (repeatedly) for the resident to provide a reference; however, she always has an excuse about why she doesn't have it available. I think our response at this point is going to be once she provides a reference, we will look into it, otherwise we will proceed status quo. If anyone else has another idea or point of reference, I'd be glad to hear it...

I think that about sums it up. But it would be a good idea to be sure that the hard copies are delivered in a timely manner to those residents who do not want email delivery.

You may be on slippery footing, however, with the hand-delivery. If push comes to shove, and someone claims they didn't receive a key notice, it might be more difficult to prove. MOST times courts will accept that items sent through regular mail that processes into a federally approved mail box are presumed delivered. Not sure how they will feel about claiming hand-delivery that was not put directly into a homeowner's hands.
DennisT (Ohio)
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Posted By MicheleD on 12/03/2009 11:28 AM

You may be on slippery footing, however, with the hand-delivery. If push comes to shove, and someone claims they didn't receive a key notice, it might be more difficult to prove. MOST times courts will accept that items sent through regular mail that processes into a federally approved mail box are presumed delivered. Not sure how they will feel about claiming hand-delivery that was not put directly into a homeowner's hands.

We had over 100 units and a little trick we found worked well was to have the letters taken to the post office unstamped. We'd then purchase the exact number of stamps needed (which equaled the number of units), plus one more for a registered mail delivery to the association c/o the secretary. The post office receipt would reflect the number of stamps we bought plus the serial number of the registered piece.

At the next board meeting the president would report that the mailing concerning whatever issue was completed on whatever date and request that a copy of the receipt be entered into the minutes. As part of that the secretary would report that the association received registered envelope #XYZ from itself and state that it had been deposited into the records of the association. The board then voted on a motion to declare that the mailing had been delivered pursuant to the requirements of the declaration and bylaws which required first class delivery via US Mail.

Probably a bit of overkill and granted there's no proof that you sent THAT document to THIS particular owner, but it shows that on a certain date the association went through the effort to send a letter to the same number of units it has. The court could open the registered piece to determine the contents. Is it irrefutable? Absolutely not. Does it prove beyond all doubt that you didn't send a letter to the owner in question and used the extra stamp to mail a letter to your Aunt Thelma? No, but it shows good faith on the association's part and most courts are pretty careful to consider the totality of the circumstances.
DennisT (Ohio)
Posts: 109
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Sorry for the double post - I just realized I stated the wrong mail service. We used certified mail, not registered. Much cheaper but still gives delivery confirmation and a serial number that shows on both the envelope and the receipt.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
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Dennis, not to burst your bubble, because in the end your HOA has to do what it thinks is right, but it is probably a little bit of overkill.

The courts already consider documents delivered if sent through USPS mail, and an affidavit or sworn testimony (if it comes down to that) that the mailing was made to all members is really all that's needed.

But kudos on thinking ahead.
DennisT (Ohio)
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Posted By MicheleD on 12/03/2009 5:48 PM
Dennis, not to burst your bubble, because in the end your HOA has to do what it thinks is right, but it is probably a little bit of overkill.

The courts already consider documents delivered if sent through USPS mail, and an affidavit or sworn testimony (if it comes down to that) that the mailing was made to all members is really all that's needed.

That assumes the proper people are around to give an affidavit or testify. Board members move on, both out of the association and pass away. The person I replaced as president went into a nursing home and died six months later. The secretary sold her condo to take a job somewhere in Ontario. It would be impossible to get an affidavit from the former president, and it would take a good deal of time and expense to find the former secretary and depose her.

Since the president handled the mailing other board members could not testify that it was done because it would be hearsay. "Mary told us that that she mailed the letters" is hearsay when used to assert that the letters were mailed. There is an exception to the hearsay rule that pertains to business records but that requires the records to exist in the first place. Meeting minutes are business records and are maintained forever. In this matter and all important matters we felt strongly that we had an obligation to future boards to create business records that a future custodian [secretary] could speak for without the time and expense of locating former board members to ask about things that they may not precisely remember, assuming they're even around.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
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Janet,
All the replies here are worthy and should be considered seriously. However, from what I read you are just faced with one owner making a half baked statement. You have taken steps to establish the credibility here and conclude you will proceed as before. I think that is a wise move. In general I think you have explained your concerns and even though there may be specific circumstances that may require some change of procedure, your efforts and intent count for something. Also you are not setting precedence, e-mail is used world wide for communication and is rapidly replacing many forms of the written word. My feeling also is influenced by the fact that you have an elected Board to decide this........bottom line. If I thought the Board was overstepping I would voice that, I think they are in bounds and from what we hear are doing a great job. If, as the first BOD after a take over and all you have had a problem with is this one item, I say, good for you all, you got to be doing something right.
NoshM (California)
Posts: 1
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I'm not sure about MO, but CA has the Davis-Sterling Act. Any communications regarding HOA elections, financial data, or CC&R's needs to be sent via 1st class postage. If there is a statute in MO, read it thoroughly.

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MarvinA2 (Missouri)
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I live in Missouri. I konw of no rules. We do communicate by e-mail, but only if the homeowners sign up for that free service. We do mail out the notice for the annual meeting, along with the annual assesmemt bill. Then we toss in the swimming pool pass registration form as well. 1 main mailing a year. yes many say they do not get the mail untill we started to include the swimming pool pass form. no form means no swimming.
MarvinA2 (Missouri)
Posts: 3
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I live in Missouri. I konw of no rules. We do communicate by e-mail, but only if the homeowners sign up for that free service. We do mail out the notice for the annual meeting, along with the annual assesmemt bill. Then we toss in the swimming pool pass registration form as well. 1 main mailing a year. yes many say they do not get the mail untill we started to include the swimming pool pass form. no form means no swimming.
ChrisP5 (Missouri)
Posts: 165
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I think your resident may be referencing RSMO 448.3-108 although this doesn't look like it would apply to all notices you send out.

Meetings.
448.3-108. A meeting of the association shall be held at least once each year. Special meetings of the association may be called by the president or by twenty percent, or any lower percentage specified in the bylaws, of either the executive board or the unit owners. Not less than ten nor more than sixty days in advance of any meeting, the secretary or other officer specified in the bylaws shall cause notice to be hand-delivered or sent prepaid by United States mail to the mailing address of each unit or to any other mailing address designated in writing by the unit owner. The notice of any meeting shall state the time and place of the meeting and the items on the agenda, including the general nature of any proposed amendment to the declaration or bylaws, any budget changes, and any proposal to remove a director or officer.
JennN1 (Washington)
Posts: 8
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ChrisP5 nailed it.

We have a similar law here in WA State. Notices for the Annual Meeting or any other meeting requiring notice be provided to the Association (i.e., all the homeowners rather than just the Board, such as the Budget Ratification Meeting) must be sent via USPS or hand delivery. Our managment company normally sends itself a notice at the same time homeowner's notices are sent out as proof that proper notice was given. The notice it receives back is then included with the meeting minutes of the Annual Meeting or other meeting that requires notice for the record.

Our regular monthly Board meetings only require that the Board is notified and thus the USPS or hand delivery is not required. These are not meetings "of the Association" only of the Board, although we conduct all of our monthly Board meetings as open meetings and invite anyone in the Association to attend. Generally we simply post these meetings on the community mailboxes.

Generally the state law will trump your Associations CC&Rs or Bylaws if the State law has a stricter standard. Note: I am NOT an attorney, simply a Board member who also happens to be a CPA and has encountered another Board member wanting to change our CC&Rs/Bylaws to allow e-mail notification. In Washington State, at least, it can't be done...yet.
JanetG1 (Missouri)
Posts: 3
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Posted By ChrisP5 on 12/24/2009 10:28 PM
I think your resident may be referencing RSMO 448.3-108 although this doesn't look like it would apply to all notices you send out.

Meetings.
448.3-108. A meeting of the association shall be held at least once each year. Special meetings of the association may be called by the president or by twenty percent, or any lower percentage specified in the bylaws, of either the executive board or the unit owners. Not less than ten nor more than sixty days in advance of any meeting, the secretary or other officer specified in the bylaws shall cause notice to be hand-delivered or sent prepaid by United States mail to the mailing address of each unit or to any other mailing address designated in writing by the unit owner. The notice of any meeting shall state the time and place of the meeting and the items on the agenda, including the general nature of any proposed amendment to the declaration or bylaws, any budget changes, and any proposal to remove a director or officer.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the way I understand things, this statute only applies to condominium communities....
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
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Janet,

If there are no provisions for notice by e-mail and you are willing to adopt such a provision, I have copied this from the Florida Statutes on "Meeting Notice" Just another thought to consider.

720:303----"The bylaws or amended bylaws may provide for giving notice by electronic transmission in a manner authorized by law for meetings of the board of directors, committee meetings requiring notice under this section, and annual and special meetings of the members; however, a member must consent in writing to receiving notice by electronic transmission
ChrisP5 (Missouri)
Posts: 165
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Janet - I did pull that from condo law since that is what applies to us, I missed that you are an HOA.

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