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DickC (West Virginia)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Our HOA is contemplating doing background and credit checks on all new home owners prior to accepting them into the community. Does anyone have any thoughts on the propriety of doing so. As a Board we are split in our opinions. Some Diretors feel that we will make it more difficult to sell homes by enforcing the above.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
What do you mean "accepting them into the community"?
Becoming a Member? Do your documents say you can screen memberships?

Better check with a lawyer about Civil Rights and privacy laws.

What specifically are you looking for?
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Dick,

Do you live in a co-op or an HOA -- condo or planned community? If you live in an HOA, membership is automatic once the individual purchases the property. Do your docs specifically state you can deny membership in the HOA? If so, is this a voluntary HOA? A mandatory HOA means, just that -- each property owner is a member -- period.

Regarding background and credit checks, I would advise against it. Did you have to undergo a background and credit check b/4 you purchased your home?
DickC (West Virginia)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Our documents say that the HOA has to approve all new residents prior to closing. We are a 55+ community so obviously we have to screen for that first and foremost. Is a background check not common practice? Can you not eliminate pedophiles for example from moving into your community?

Does anyone have an HOA application that they use which they can share?

By the way I am a newly elected Board Member and President who is dealing with a mess. I inherited very little organizational methods and I'm trying to get us on a plan which will include revamped accounting practices as well as the aforementioned screening. I attended a meeting last week of an HOA group here in Florida and when questioning other Board Members I discovered that most of them do in fact screen new buyers in addition to credit checks. The other Board Members here think that this is overkill. I don't.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Dick,

I agree, it is overkill. Do you docs also so that if you don't "like" the potential buyer you can deny them the right to purchase in your HOA? I have heard of some BODs going through this screening process to include background and credit checks. Justification is that the docs allow for a screening process and they just get carried away with how much "screening" they think they can do. I'm thinking the "screening" is only to ensure that they meet the qualifications of living in your 55+ community. I would be curious to read the article in your CCRs that pertains to approving all new residents.

With regard to pedophiles, they would have to be registered with the police dept. In most metropolitan areas there are websites which list the pedophiles in the area and where they reside. I don't believe they can be denied the right to purchase a home but I'm sure they have to abide by certain stipulations, i.e. cannot be a certain distance from a school.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Dick,

Correction: "Do your docs also say that if you don't "like" the potential buyer you can deny them the right to purchase in your HOA?
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Mary,

There is a big boatload of lawyers waiting to jump on a denial. It has been ruled that a Board has no constitutional rights to deny a potential buyer because of a background check unless it is a sex offender and there are children within so many feet or a school is nearby.

This sounds like stand alone homes?

As an employer, it is illegal to ask questions beyond is this an employee who shows up for work and has not committed a crime against my business.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Donna,

Exactly! So why go through the process? And regarding a credit check, that should only occur if the member is delinquent and his account is turned over to an attorney for collection. Other than that, a person's credit report should be of no concern to the BOD.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
Since most pedophiles are forbidden from living in areas with minors, wouldn't a 55+ HOA be the second best place for them?

AnnaD2 (Florida)
Posts: 960
Posted:
Our documents state that we CAN refuse a potential buyer. But know what else it says???? If we DO deny them then WE have the obligation to BUY IT ourselves. Not exactly what we want to do.
DickC (West Virginia)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Ok I get the message. You are not fond of background checks nor credit checks. You all agree with the rest of our Board.
AnnaD2 (Florida)
Posts: 960
Posted:
Hey Dick...I DO see your point. I know you're concerned about their ability to pay maintenance fees based on their previous credit reports...high risk and all that. But the mortgage company will do their own credit check before giving them a loan.

As a citizen you can do your own criminal checks very easily (on-line) just to know who your neighbors are but as a board member you can't do anything with that information.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Dick,

I don't think that we all agree, just to agree with each other. Documents written in the way that yours are were written long before much of these type issues were judged in the coyrt systems to be illegal and against privacy laws. So don't think negatively about the opinions given here. It is illegal to do background checks on POTENTIAL BUYERS for the HOA. There might be some entity who could do searches but not your HOA.
DennisT (Ohio)
Posts: 109
Posted:
Just because your docs say you can do something doesn't mean you can (or should). The documents and bylaws are subservient to the lowest municipal ordinance. As Donna said many documents were created years ago or are based on documents from years ago that don't take into account changes in the law, both enacted and case law.

As an example, the documents at my condo had restrictions on the clubhouse including a rule regarding smoking. Smoking was expressly permitted when the clubhouse was rented to a unit owner. A couple years later the state enacted a smoking ban that included buildings like our clubhouse. The association had to comply; in fact we were obligated to put up state-approved No Smoking signs. We also had a CC&R that prohibited satellite dishes. That went out the window when the FCC issued its OTARD rules. Since amendments are expensive and time consuming with a large association these old rules remain on the books with full knowledge that they're not enforceable as written.

This is one of those areas where you need to seek legal guidance before proceeding. This forum is no substitute for legal advice and given the murky waters that come with such a contentious issue you owe it to the association and its members to proceed only after all due diligence has been completed. The last thing you need is to be served with a discrimination complaint after a denial and have the association's lawyer tell the board "If I'd only known you were going to do this I would have said not to touch it with a 10 foot pole."
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Bravo Dennis! Very good, sound advice.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Dick besides the things others have posted a background check only tells what the persons history is if it is known. If you follow the HOA news feeds you will see a number of stories of upstanding citizens without even a parking violation to their name suddenly responsible for the embezzlement of thousands of dollars from their HOA's.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
DennisB6 (Florida)
Posts: 11
Posted:
Dick:

We are an HOA in Florida and some of our board members wanted to do the same thing. We consulted our attorney and he gave us an opinion that we could not do a background check of a new buyer. We could only keep convicted sex offenders out by following Florida law.

Dennis
Port St. Lucie, FL
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Dennis,

I owned a rental condo in Ft Pierce and they wanted to do a background check on me prior to purchase. I refused to give them SOME of the information that they wanted so they called me before the Board. I had a letter from my corp. lawyer, stating that it was illegal in Florida to do a background check. They okayed the purchase without a problem. But when I had my first tenants in, they tried to do it again. DUH!! This was a 55+ community so my 78 year old renters really should not have had to deal with the problem and I made sure that the Board knew that IT IS ILLEGAL to do these kinds of checks.
CharlesW9 (Illinois)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Hello Dennis,
are you really sure that the background checks are illegal? I guess it is the right of the owner, isn't it? He is the owner of the property and he can do practically whatever he wants as long as the tenants want to live in his apartment and agree with his conditions. I am not sure about it but I am an owner and I do these checks. Everything has been alright so far. I know more information about my potential tenants and I can make safe decision. Imagine situation that your tenant is not able to pay his rent. No owner wants to have such problem and take legal action. It takes time and money. I really think that providing background checks should be the owner's right. Not talking about dealing with delayed payments and so on. I have quite experience with those issues as well and it only contributes to my opinion about that. I have been using this website - http://www.e-renter.com/ and I can really recommend it.
Have a nice day.
MichelleK5 (New York)
Posts: 161
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By CharlesW9 on 02/27/2017 7:24 AM
Hello Dennis,
are you really sure that the background checks are illegal? I guess it is the right of the owner, isn't it? He is the owner of the property and he can do practically whatever he wants as long as the tenants want to live in his apartment and agree with his conditions. I am not sure about it but I am an owner and I do these checks. Everything has been alright so far. I know more information about my potential tenants and I can make safe decision. Imagine situation that your tenant is not able to pay his rent. No owner wants to have such problem and take legal action. It takes time and money. I really think that providing background checks should be the owner's right. Not talking about dealing with delayed payments and so on. I have quite experience with those issues as well and it only contributes to my opinion about that. I have been using this website - http://www.e-renter.com/ and I can really recommend it.
Have a nice day.

Background check doesn't have anything to do with the ability to pay. Credit checks and a call to the current landlord is all that's needed to check.
If you still want to run background check, and decide to deny housing based on something you don't like in the report, you better be damn sure it's legal, and it's doesn't conflict with Fair Housing laws.

There was an article on this in the Wall Street Journal last year. How landlords are doing electronic background checks and using minor reasons to deny rentals. Many are now saying it could be a violation of housing discrimination laws.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
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