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CharlesW1 (Georgia)
Posts: 826
Posted:
I am turning to you all for advice once again. I’m a new board member, as many of you may know. The previous V.President/Treasure is asking the president if she can still receive copies of the finical statements. I don’t know all that much about them to give an educated answer. but it doesn’t seem like a very good idea. Not being all that familiar with these statements. Would this be a good idea, will it hurt anyone? All I can do is question what I don’t know. Are homeowners allowed to review the financial statements? She has said she would only like copies of the financials...just the main Balance sheet and Income statement not the supporting details. She says "she thought that the homeowner was allowed to view these documents.Can she???

Thank you all
Chuck W.


Charles E. Wafer Jr.
JamesC (Maryland)
Posts: 282
Posted:
Chuck:

Our HOA in Maryland, of which I am a member of the board
shares all financial statements with the entire community. Our MC is currently putting our proposed budget together for next year. We will mail the budget to the homeowners for their review/comments.
After all, the money belongs to the association of which we are all members. That is, with the exception of about forty homeowners who are seriously delinquent on their assessement fees. They are permitted no input.
We follow our states guidelines.
JamesC (Maryland)
Posts: 282
Posted:
Chuck:

Sorry! we do not go into the details on contracts costs,etc. unless inquiries are made.

Jim
CharlesW1 (Georgia)
Posts: 826
Posted:
Thanks Jim, I appreciate the quick response. I do know that our MC has mailed out the yearly budget to all homeowners delinquent or not.
Is any (current or delinquent) homeowner allowed to just ask for these statements or is the budget “legitimately” enough information?

Chuck W.

Charles E. Wafer Jr.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Yes Chuck, all homeowners are allowed to review the financial records. In fact for one association I manage the Board requested I email the monthly Balance Sheet, Income Statement, and Cash Flow chart to all owners who have provided an email address. Accounts receivable are not provided by email, except the net total.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
absolutely! in fact, if you deny any member the chance to see and view (most) HOA records, prepare for a lawsuit.
GeraldT1 (<Not Specified>)
Posts: 519
Posted:
CharlesW1,

Homeowners and Board members alike need to understand their rights and educate eachother in the learning process.

Your caution is admirable, but don't let it trip you up. The Treasurer is not asking for the details but I'd advise her it's available for review upon written request of time, place, etc. Just to be on the safe side.

GeraldT1
NNJ
CharlesW1 (Georgia)
Posts: 826
Posted:
Thank you all, it’s seems like she has the right to view them as much as anyone else does. The problem I am having is that, I was reporting violation to the MC. (not being a board member) I was told that the information I was requesting couldn’t be shared with me unless I was a board member. So I volunteered!

This lady has been a board member for two consecutive years and the treasure for three years prior and at the elections she said that “she believes the people elected have to announce their positions at the time of the election, because that is the way it has always been. I don’t know all that much about HOAs, but I’m learning from all of you everyday. I spoke up and said “it states in our by-laws that positions must be established and announced to the community with in 10 days of the election, which we did!

What exactly is in the “financial Statement” I wouldn’t want to give her information pertaining to her neighbor’s finances. What would be considered personal information? The board will be looking to protect themselves from being sued if everyone was allowed these documents.

Chuck W.

Charles E. Wafer Jr.
JamesC (Maryland)
Posts: 282
Posted:
Chuck:
You ask;what could be considered personal information?

Strange as it is, any homeowner who attends our board meetings may elect to sit through the session and listen while we discuss the names of other homeowners and the amounts they owe on past assessements. (one examble) Some are in default for several years. To me this would be, not only personal but, embarrasing for someone to know your financial business.
One member of the board suggested the names and amount owed by deligents be published in the newsletter because non payment means they were in essence stealing from those who do pay on time. The attorneys say this cannot be done because of the privacy laws. Yet! as I said, anyone can attend the board meetings and know everything about anybody in the community. Perplexing""""
Roger, is in tune with most of these issues and seems to have the answers.

Jim
CharlesW1 (Georgia)
Posts: 826
Posted:
Jim,

I had asked in a previous posting the same thing and was told I couldn’t list such information to the community, in a newsletter. I lived in New York where the county would publish a daily newspaper that would list homeowners name, address, and the amount they were delinquent on the land taxes and for how long.

I figured if you can get the money from them then you can embarrass them as much as possible!

You are right though; you could attend the meetings and hear some of the same information being discussed at the meeting that is written in these “private reports” Things that make you go HMMMMM.

Thanks again
Chuck W.

Charles E. Wafer Jr.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
I would never publish the names of homeowners who are delinquent. If their names are discussed at a Board meeting it should be understood by all that this is confidential information. Nevertheless, an owner has the right to review the accounts receivable file to ascertain the delinquencies but ONLY AFTER providing a good faith reason such as a concern that the Board wants to raise the assessment and the owner thinks this is not necessary because delinquent accounts are not being actively persued.

Following is an example:

Rules and Regulations on Inspection and Copying of Association Records

The records of the Association shall be reasonably available for inspection and copying during normal working hours to a Unit Owner, or their appointed representative, in response to their good faith request for a proper Association purpose. The Association may withhold records such as those protected by attorney-client privilege and information which might be used for soliciting purposes. No owner shall disclose Association information which can be used for soliciting purposes. Privacy concerns, however, are narrowly construed. For example, despite what might be embarrassing to a homeowner, delinquent account information can not be withheld from an Owner if the request is made in good faith and for a proper purpose.

The Owner shall submit a written request to the Registered Agent providing a) Name, b) Address, c) Date, d) purpose, e) Specific records for which copies are requested, f) Specific records for which only onsite review under supervision are requested. Upon receipt of a request the Agent shall contact the Owner to schedule a meeting within five business days and advise on the cost involved.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
I would be interested in what laws would be broken if we listed deliquent accounts in our files, and allowed owners to see them.

If I were part owner of a grocery store, i would certainly want to see the ledger that told who had stolen what from the store, what vendors owed the store money, etc. As a part owner of an HOA, why don't I have the same rights?

Exactly what privacy laws allow people to steal, and not be held accountable?
NikkiT (Texas)
Posts: 30
Posted:
Yes, we faced the same problem. And the President of the Board posted the names of all the delinquent members in the Clubhouse. What an uproar that turned out to be! Losing several more members that had been current.

Now, we will post the names of the PEOPLE WHO ARE CURRENT - THEREFORE IN GOOD STANDING - as a "reward" for the members that take care of their obligations. This "List" has to be available at the beginning of all meetings of members anyway to tally attendance as well as voting eligiblility! So why not use this law in your favor. If a delinquent member's name is NOT on the list - - oh well - - it is a "Member in Good Standing List" anyway and they can get their names on the REWARD LIST simply by being current in their dues and any assessments.

Works for us.
Nikki T.

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