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DeeS1 (Michigan)
Posts: 223
Posted:
I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction. We are zoned Site Condo in Michigan and incorporated as a non-profit in Michigan. I've read several threads here about requirements for pre-posting board meetings time and places and conducting all business in open meetings (not email, etc.), but I'm struggling to find that requirements in our documentation.

I see requirements for member notification for "special meetings" and "Annual Meetings" scattered throughout the Bylaws, AofI, and Acts, but I can't find anything about regular meetings of the board. Here's what our bylaws say about Regular Meetings:

Regular Meetings. Regular meetings of the Board of Directors may be held at such times and places as shall be determined from time to time by a majority of the Directors, but at least two such meetings shall be held during each fiscal year. Notice of regular meetings of the Board of Directors shall be given to each Director personally, by mail, telephone or telegraph, at least ten days prior to the date named for such meeting.

Can anyone point me to the text of open meeting requirements and/or notification requirements for another source applicable to MI. It would be most appreciated.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Dee,

If there is not an open meeting law in the nonprofit statutes (which I would seriously doubt!) then the only other place would be in state condo statutes, if there are any. Otherwise the board may not be bound by an open meeting law. In AZ the open meeting law is found in state HOA-specific statutes.

If the board is in favor of open meetings they can always propose an amendment to the bylaws. Many assn bylaws give the board the right to amend w/o a vote of the members making it a very easy process. But, even if your members must vote on an amendment it probably would be a very easy amendment to pass since it is one that is in favor of the members!
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Mary is correct.

Our board meetings do not have to be open to the membership. Open meeting laws and statutes in KY do not apply to HOAs.

DeeS1 (Michigan)
Posts: 223
Posted:
Thanks ... I'm just trying to sort this all out to make sure we are currently at least in compliance and then determine if we want to make changes ... It's all new terminology to me, so I'm finding it a little hard to sort through things. As stated above, our bylaws do not require notice for regular meetings, and apparantly, the Non-Profit Corporation Act 162 does not either:

(2) A regular meeting may be held with or without notice as prescribed in the bylaws. A special meeting shall be held upon notice as prescribed in the bylaws. Attendance of a director at a meeting constitutes a waiver of notice of the meeting, except where a director attends a meeting for the express purpose of objecting to the transaction of any business because the meeting is not lawfully called or convened. Neither the business to be transacted at, nor the purpose of, a regular or special meeting need be specified in the notice or waiver of notice of the meeting unless required by the bylaws.

I've searched for the term "open" and don't see anything related in either the Non-Profit Act or Michigan Condo Act. If anyone knows what section I should look at or other terminology to scan for, that would be great.

So, if notification is not required, does that mean that open meeting laws don't apply. While certainly not desirable and what I am trying to avoid, would limited "email" business technically be permissible?
MichaelK11 (Texas)
Posts: 432
Posted:
I really like the open meeting requirements of some states. I think an HOA in a state without such laws would be well-served to amend their Bylaws to require such.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Dee:

Per Michigan Corporate Law, Section 450.2521:

(2) A regular meeting may be held with or without notice as prescribed in the bylaws. A special meeting shall be held upon notice as prescribed in the bylaws.

Therefore, notice to the membership of board meetings are not required unless your bylaws say that they are.

I got this information from the following link:
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/%28S%28dbofy045t0hpa055qxyfzn45%29%29/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=mcl-450-2521&query=on&highlight=meetings

Additionally, Michigans Non-profit Corporation Act is avialable here:
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/%28S%28dbofy045t0hpa055qxyfzn45%29%29/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=mcl-Act-162-of-1982&query=on&highlight=NONPROFIT

Hope this helps,

Tim
DeeS1 (Michigan)
Posts: 223
Posted:
Thanks Tim
So, as it stands, if were are not required to provide notice of meeting, then are we not required to conduct "open" business for all meetings? Does that make sense? I'm really concerned with the email business aspect of things. I understand best practises ... but I'm trying to understand the actual requirement.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Dee,

Right, you are not required to hold open meetings and I would also venture to say you can conduct business thru email also. However, just because you are not required to do something does not mean it isn't a good thing to do it! I think your members would be pleased to know that your board meetings are open and all business is being conducted at board meetings and not privately thru email. Transparency of board actions is key to running a healthy HOA. IMO, board members have far fewer problems with members when they do everything in the open. Communication and transparency goes a long way to promoting a board that is not hiding anything.
DeeS1 (Michigan)
Posts: 223
Posted:
Thanks all for the clarifications. It helps a great deal.

Mary: I agree that open meetings are the way to go and that is how our board operates, however, the notification part is sometimes a problem due to last-minute scheduling conflicts with BODs. At present, we meet the first Monday of the month and this is posted in our newsletter, but we really have no ideal location to post meeting dates if they change, so we keep the MC informed of the dates, but people would need to call to verify that they haven't been changed (which I doubt would meet any technical notification requirements).

We do very little "business" by email -- only emergencies, maintenance requests, and non-controversial alt/mods; however, the previous board did virtually ALL business except the annual meeting via email. YIKES!
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Dee - how was the "first Monday of the month" schedule decided?

Was it set by the board? Is it a standing rule (day and hour of meeting0 They should stick to it.

If so, normally, board meetings can't be "cancelled" - they are set for another time, close to the original date.
But your bylaws say only that at least 2 meetings are mandatory, so it's very confusing.

Is the Annual Meeting date set in the bylaws/

Work to get this meeting schedule set by a board resolution.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Dee,

Since you have no open meeting law requirement, it would be OK to let the members know that they should call the manager to make certain there hasn't been a change in the schedule. I can only speak of AZ's open meeting law. Members must be informed ". . .AT LEAST 48-hours in advance of the meeting by newsletter, conspiuous posting or any other reasonable means as determined by the BOD." If the assn mails a quarterly newsletter, the meeting schedule can be posted in it. IAW the law, members must be informed of any last minute changes in the posted schedule. It's up to the BOD to notify the members of meeting times and dates, not the other way around! The only exception to the notification requirement is if because of emergency circumstances the BOD was required to meet and there was not enough time to post a notice.

BTW, at one time the BOD meetings were posted in a local independent newspaper each week. But about a year ago the newspaper quit serving our area. Not having a clubhouse or other area to post notices is a problem for many HOAs.
DeeS1 (Michigan)
Posts: 223
Posted:
Susan: It's nice to hear from Michigan :-)

We try to shoot for the first Monday of the month, but the meeting date/time is actually scheduled at the end of the previous meeting and entered into the minutes. We only have 5 board members and 3 of the members travel extensively for work. No homeowner has ever requested to come to a meeting to either observe or speak or requested meeting minutes. We have occasionally invited specific HOs when an issue is before us, though, but they have never come.

We are a newer community with a lot of unresolved issues, so it is necessary to meet at least monthly. I guess my thinking has been that since the meetings are not required (except for the two) and notification is not required, it is best to adjust meetings if necessary because we felt is was in the best interest of the community to have full board representation at the meeting for the month.

The annual meetings are only required to be in the 2nd or 3rd week of April with written notice provided first-class mail at least 10 days prior; however, we schedule and secure the facility a year in advance and the date is posted in the quarterly newsletter all year. This date would not be changed.

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