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JuneC4 (Oklahoma)
Posts: 2
Posted:
I have a Condo in Southern Oklahoma and fell behind on my association dues. The monthly statement each month has stated "any units behind on their fees for two months or more will have their water shut off". I have repeatedly asked if my water was shut off, just recently found out that is was. The problem is that I was planning to return to Oklahoma from California to resume living in my unit or to rent it out, but now the water is off! I asked about the water status on October 20th, 2009,and today, November 9th, I received an email from the Assocation Bookkeeper that my water was shut off on November 3rd, even though I have told them in a previous email that I was returning at the end of this month to live in my unit or rent it out or sell it if needbe. This sounds personal to me now. I don't owe anything on my unit, it is free and clear of debt. My question is to anyone out there who can tell me their experience with this Association Strong Arm Tactic. I use to be on the Board of Directors a few years back, but after dealing with uneducated Board Members, I decided not to be included in their unfair dealings. Can anyone educate me on what to do next?
HB (Oregon)
Posts: 143
Posted:
Ok, let me get this straight:

Your statements warn owners that water will be shut off, you were behind on your dues, the water was shut off, they confirmed that it was.

I am not sure how this "sounds personal"??

Can't you just pay your dues (including any assessed fees) and get it turned back on?

That is nice that you told them you were coming back, but there is still the option of mailing your payment. Why must they wait when there is no reason the dues should not be paid?
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Pay your past due assessments for a start as HB states the US Mail has been around for a while and do an excellent job of getting checks to where they are owed. That said, I doubt this is legal, the only state that I know of that allows an Association who pays for water to shut it off is Virginia. In Ohio we can only do that with commercial units, and a HOA in Florida just tried to do it and was stopped by the courts. I would contact the local water utility to find out if it is legal in your jurisdiction to render your home uninhabitable for non-payment; ironically water utilities are allowed to do it and do so all of the time. Next step would be to contact the local authorities (city council, county commissioners, zoning board, etc.) unless you want to cut to the chase and hire an attorney to contact the HOA.

P.S. This advice in no way means I approve of your not paying, by doing that you put a hardship on all of your neighbors asking them to pay your way.

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DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

June,

One never does not pay or fall behind on association dues without expecting repercussions. Your HOA did what they have written claim to do and that is to shut off your water.

Get your dues paid, write a letter of apology and the water should be turned back on.

Boards are not mind readers. Do they know what your plans are or do they care? Probably not. It was and is your responsibility to keep current in your dues. Do not blame the Board because they followed thru on their rules. It is not a strong armed tactic, IMHO.
JuneC4 (Oklahoma)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Thanks GlenL for your response. Yes it is not legal to turn off the water, and as I am aware of my non payment of the dues, it does not give them the right to hinder my use of my unit. The water is paid to a Master Association who controls a well and it is not metered. Everyone was aware that I have not been there, thus no water usage, so why turn it off now, I don't know? And there was no warning to the effect, until I wrote to them asking if it was off. All I know is now I can't go there until the water is turned on. They are threatening with foreclosure, and I hope to resolve the issue before the end of this month. I too, am aware of the other states legal stands on this issue. Regardless of the past due fees, now is the issue of my inability to live in my unit, to work locally and repay what I owe to the Association. Do you feel that I might have a case against them?
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

June,

You need to face some facts here. Could you sue your HOA? Yes you could but would you win? Probably not. How much money do you want to throw at a lawyer to prove a point that you most likely would not win. If you won, your HOA would need to assess a special fee to pay for legal fees. Who pays that? You do. Get over the urge to fight something that you caused. Pay the fees and hope that it won't happen again.

You said "Regardless of the past due fees, now is the issue of my inability to live in my unit, to work locally and repay what I owe to the Association. Do you feel that I might have a case against them?

Why would the water still be off if you paid your dues and caught up? In other words, you still have not paid the dues?
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
June,

You received notice more than once your water would be shut off and you did not catch up with your assessment payments. This doesn't sound personal to me. It doesn't matter whether you own your property free and clear and, in fact, makes a foreclosure proceeding that much easier.
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
June,

In addition if the water is paid by the association regardless of how much water you do or do not use in your interior there will still be water used for landscaping,etc. for the benefit of all owners. You purchased agreeing to abide by the covenants of the association and chose to disregard them even though you were notified more than once. I have heard this many times "I don't use the swimming pool..why should I pay for the upkeep", etc, etc.

I'm sorry if you are inconvenienced but you brought it on yourself. As far as having a case, to me that is laughable but spend your money any way you want.
HB (Oregon)
Posts: 143
Posted:
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Posted By JuneC4 on 11/09/2009 12:02 PM
Thanks GlenL for your response. Yes it is not legal to turn off the water, and as I am aware of my non payment of the dues, it does not give them the right to hinder my use of my unit. The water is paid to a Master Association who controls a well and it is not metered. Everyone was aware that I have not been there, thus no water usage, so why turn it off now, I don't know? And there was no warning to the effect, until I wrote to them asking if it was off. All I know is now I can't go there until the water is turned on. They are threatening with foreclosure, and I hope to resolve the issue before the end of this month. I too, am aware of the other states legal stands on this issue. Regardless of the past due fees, now is the issue of my inability to live in my unit, to work locally and repay what I owe to the Association. Do you feel that I might have a case against them?

Regardless of whether the water is paid to a master association or whether it is metered, they tell you on the statement the water will be shut off and it obviously has worked to get a reaction from you, which is the point.

You WERE given a warning that the water would be shut off (it is on the statement, what else do you want them to do?)

The inability to use your unit is fully your fault, and only you can fix that by paying or making arrangements for the payment of your dues. I have a feeling that you were fully aware of the water being shut off and are now trying to find someone to threaten with a lawsuit so you can use the unit without having to pay the back dues.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
June,

Whether or not you live in your Condo, rent it out or leave it vacant, your assn fees must be paid on time. And the fact that your condo is owned free nd clear is a moot point! Your statements warned you of what would happen if you failed to pay. Frankly, you don't have a beef with the assn. But, if you don't pay up soon, the fact that the water is turned off may be the least of your problems. How would you like to be facing foreclosure? Well, that may be the next step if your account remains in arrears. What should you do next? Send a check immediately for the full amount of your delinquency. It would really be a shame for you to face foreclosure on a property that has no mortgage!!!
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
Mary,

Amen! If an owner owns a property free and clear they can certainly pay their assessments. In these times, when hoas are facing so many delinquencies, there is little patience for deadbeats. Most hoas will work with owners who truly are having a difficult time financially but not with an owner who has no mortgage payments and the extra money to file a lawsuit. I suggest the OP use her funds to fight the foreclosure suit which seems imminent.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
June, I'm not an attorney so I don't know if you have a case or not. Since you own the unit free and clear you should have no difficulty getting a loan to pay what you owe.

To others,
I have zero sympathy for June's situation; my only concern is I doubt the BOD has the power to turn the water off on dead beats. Lord knows I wish we could do it but Ohio law prohibits it. Oklahoma law may allow it but I watch the news feeds and haven't seen anything to indicate it, that doesn't mean it didn't happen but I haven't seen it.

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EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
Glen,

I don't know the laws in the OPs state either but sometimes there is more than one way to skin a cat. The OPs options are either (1)pay up or (2)file a lawsuit. I have been in the legal profession for about 30 years and would advise her to pay up. Over ten years ago our attorneys charged over $225 per hour, and yes every 15 minute phone call was charged. My time then as a paralgal was $70 per hour (ten years ago)..every minute is charged to the clent who looked shell shocked when they received the bill. When I see people on this site advising "go to an attorney"..that should be a last resort. Usually things can be worked out and our OP has only to pay her assessments. Really pretty basic..she owes it and she should pay it.
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
June,

My advice is to pay your assessments that are owing and keep current in the future.

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