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MaureenM1 (PA)
Posts: 344
Posted:
The homeowners in my development just received notice of our Annual Meeting. Included in the notice was a Note: that stated:

Builder issues are between homeowner and builder and is not to be discussed at the annual meeting. The notice was sentfrom our Management Company who was selected by our builder and our builder is in control of the development

Shouldn't the owners have a right to speak and ask questions regarding the development at this meeting, since we never meet
at any time during the year? or should a meeting between the owners and the Builder be requested.

Your input would be appreciated.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Maureen,

I'd like to think of that note as just being badly worded. It would be logical to try and not bog down the meeting with individual issues of members wondering when the builder is going to fix my front door, fence, deck, etc. This is probably what was intended by the note.

Questions regarding the development as a whole, like: When will the roads be paved? How far along are you with section 2?, would be appropriate.

Again, it's probably just a badly worded note vs. anything else.

Tim
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
I agree, perhaps saying that "individual concerns between homeowner and builder" will not be covered at the annual meeting.

Still, the board should be sure to let homeowners know the contact name, hours and phone numbers for all conerns to the builder.

IF the board received numerous complaints about the builder, it ought to request a one on one with the builder to see what the deal is.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Maureen,

Is the developer and the builder one in the same person? I do not think that this is an unusual request at all. IF those are 2 seperate persons, the builder has nothing to do with the developers problems and vice versa. Builders build the homes and developer is the guy who builds the roads, infrastructure and so on.

The Annual Meeting has it's own set of requirements to fill according to your documents, like elections , budget or such other items that are required to be addressed at the annual meeting. Having a nag session against the builder may not be the correct venue to address those issues. Now if those items are roads, infrastructure and common area items, then you should set up a special meeting where this can deal with those.
MaureenM1 (PA)
Posts: 344
Posted:
Our builder is the President of our Association. He is in control of the Association and the development. He has 3 votes to the 2 (which are owner Board Members)
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Maureen,

Did you mean to say that the developer and his 2 cronies on the board make up 3 votes?

Regarding the annual meeting; it is a meeting of the members and any member should feel free to ask any question he so desires. However, I agree that this is not the time to bring up contruction problems of a member's home. But, any question regarding an HOA issue is fair game. I do not agree that a special meeting should be called to discuss these issues.
MaureenM1 (PA)
Posts: 344
Posted:
Yes, they are his relatives.
MaureenM1 (PA)
Posts: 344
Posted:
Yes, they are his relatives.
JohnO6 (Georgia)
Posts: 424
Posted:
For the sake of clarity, it sounds like:

1). The developer, declarant, and builder are all the same entity
2). The declarant still has control of the HOA

Assuming this is true, the builder/declarant/developer assumes more than one role in this situation - and as a result there are more than one relationship to contend with.

The builder sold real estate to individual homeowners - this is independent of any HOA involvement
The declarant controls the HOA, which is comprised of individual members (e.g. owners).

As such, the builder/declarant appropriately has chosen to have the annual meeting address HOA issues and separate any concerns between him/herself and individual homeowners from the business of the HOA entity.

Makes perfect sense to me - unfortunately not all owners readily grasp this distinction and want to intermingle issues from different business relationships.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Mary,

Would you not agree with this statement?

"Now if those items are roads, infrastructure and common area items, then you should set up a special meeting where this can deal with those."
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Frankly, how can you have a Homeowers meeting (if you include a owners comment section, and you should) and not allow an owner to elect what he wants to say. Now, the Board may elect not to entertain any subject they desire. However, they do this at the risk of driving the subject to another forum that is out of Board control.
In this case the owners having questions are likely going to band together and take the builder/developer/board, whatever, to task outside the confines of the owners meetings.

All this a process we have seen many times on this site, and more frequently lately because of economic pressures. I still believe developers/builders and homes owners and associations will benefit if mutual respect and parity is considered.

Should the annual meeting turn into a slugfest between some disgruntled homeowers and the builder/developer/board..............no. But they all better recognize there is a problem and work toward resolution, such as an outside committee to fact find and report to board.

In this case I suspect the process has already reached a level that some homeowners are going to have to go outside the board, and united, confront the builder/developer. Then when push comes to shove, the record is established that the unhappy homeowners tried to resolve their differences with the management in place, intent is part of how a court or judge evaluates cases.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
The presiding officer must take control of this issue at the meeting if these problems are brought up at the meeting.

He/she can declare that "individual issues with the builder" will not be discussed today. And move on to the next subject.

Set up another workshop or establish a committee to deal with what the board can realistically do with this problem(s). The board oversees care of common areas. Perhaps some are confused as to what the HOA's responsiblities are.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Susan,
Is the self appointed President in this case the presiding officer? I am not unaware of the HOA's responsibilities. Right now the HOA has no responsibility other than to do what the developer (presiding officer?) decrees.
That's the breaks, but that don't mean you can't object and if you do, you should act in a manner to bolster your own views. All you want to establish is you tried to discuss this situation with the responsible party (the developer?, the presiding officer?), by raising the issue at a Homeowners Meeting. I would suggest this request be recorded or taped, along with the reply. Also, make sure you keep a copy of the M/C directive about annual meetings of the Homeowners.
I do not believe this should be a responsibility of the M/C to order this kind of directive, if my memory of the OP serves.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Donna,

I do and I don't!

Nothing wrong with discussing those issues at the annual meeting if the problems exist at the time the annual meeting is being scheduled. Otherwise, a special meeting could be scheduled to address those issues. It's so hard to get members to attend the annual meeting, it would be doubly hard to get them out for a special meeting that's taking place about the same time.

I would like to think the developer meant he will not address any construction problems individual h/o's may have with their home. This should be done individually and privately with the developer. Any other problems that affect all members of the assn can be brought up at the annual meeting.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Mary,

That is correct and what I posted up early on the thread. Building or construction problems with a unit are not member problems unless it is happening on many units. These are individual homes I believe.

We had a mass problem in S. Florida with all of the white cabinets in 90 homes where the edging was chipping away from the doors. What we did at the annual meeting was to inform the members of which department and the phone number to call for repair and replacement and not dragging the builder into this at a meeting. It is not annual meeting stuff and I agree with the developer/builder not wanting this at the annual meeting. This is not what the purpose of that meeting is.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Donna,

Well, I think we're on the same page!

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