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RicH1 (Georgia)
Posts: 23
Posted:
If most of the board does not agree to audit the management company, can majority vote of homeowners overide this?

Basically our treasurer who is a board member is working for the homeowners and trying to get an audit with homeowners that don't even pay their dues. She, along with the homeowners believes that the hoa's hired attorney is working with the management company to steal their money? Over half of the board of directors disagree with this audit and think it is unfair to the management co. We don't suspect a problem at all because the numbers make sense. We are not to sure what is going on with the treasurer and have discussed getting her replaced. Please assist and help with the initial question.

Thank YOu
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
This request of hers needs to be official, since it will involve spending HOA money.

She can motion for the audit; simply vote NO.

She should state what specifically what she suspects. She may have legitmate concerns.

JohnO6 (Georgia)
Posts: 424
Posted:
The short answer to your question is "probably not" with the emphasis on "probably".

You've really got a couple of logistics issues here. First the management company (MC) is hired by the Board of Directors (BOD) to assist in the running the HOA. Undoubtedly that relationship involves a contract that calls for some level of financial reporting from the MC to the BOD. Usually those reports are substantial enough (when coupled with your HOA's bank statements) to be able to detect anything "funny" going on. It's the board that has the responsibility to review these and ultimately inform the HOA members of the financial state of affairs of the HOA.

In most cases, individual HOA members can get access to the financial records, but typically you'll have to jump through a couple of hoops (e.g. put in an advance request, go to the MC office and pay for the copies you want) to do so.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
"She, along with the homeowners believes that the hoa's hired attorney is working with the management company to steal their money?"

Since the BOARD is the only one that works with the attorney, what does this "working with the MC to steal" come from? Is she saying that legal work invoices are being paid without board approval?
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
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Posted By RicH1 on 11/02/2009 9:07 AM
If most of the board does not agree to audit the management company, can majority vote of homeowners overide this?

Basically our treasurer who is a board member is working for the homeowners and trying to get an audit with homeowners that don't even pay their dues. She, along with the homeowners believes that the hoa's hired attorney is working with the management company to steal their money? Over half of the board of directors disagree with this audit and think it is unfair to the management co. We don't suspect a problem at all because the numbers make sense. We are not to sure what is going on with the treasurer and have discussed getting her replaced. Please assist and help with the initial question.

Thank YOu

RicH1, I believe you mean an audit of the HOA, since the association does not audit the management company. The Board could assign the Board member and other members to do a financial review, but that is totally up to the Board. If your Treasurer thinks "that the hoa's hired attorney is working with the management company to steal their money" she needs to either do the job of the Treasurer or be replaced.

We provide monthly accounting reports to every Board member with an email address plus quarterly bank statements if requested. This provides an on going financial review by the Treasurer and the other Board members.
RicH1 (Georgia)
Posts: 23
Posted:
To answer Susan's concern first:
I believe that it is assumed that the attorney charges high legal fees and shares it with the Management Co. and I quess the treasurer doesn't know what she is doing because the numbers show in the reports.

But my question is if the majority of homeowners want and audit, but majority of the board members don't think it's needed, who makes the decision? Remember that these homeowners have not been paying their dues and think the attorney fees are to high.
JohnO6 (Georgia)
Posts: 424
Posted:
Rich - O.K. so the answer to your specific question will not come from this forum, but rather from your governing documents. Here are my summary thoughts on this issue:

1). This doesn't require an "audit" per se. It merely requires the treasurer to review the attorney's work and invoices/statements. It's likely that the attorney is charging an hourly rate for work done. The Board should compare that hourly rate in your local marketplace to see if they feel the charges are excessive. Factors that should be taken into account in this judgement include the perceived quality of the attorney's work, the attorney's responsiveness to HOA requests, and whether or not this particular attorney specializes in community association practice or not. Since you're in GA (I'm in suburban Atlanta) a fair yardstick for community association practice attorneys is in the $200 - $300/hour range.

2). Typically your documents don't allow the membership to "compel" the Board to do specific tasks, but who knows yours' might - you need to read them.

3). Ordinarily, your documents do give the membership the right/opportunity to "recall" the Board and effectively "un-elect" them, but I'm not convinced that's what you want to do here.

My overall advice is to find out the rate the attorney is charging and make a judgement if that is reasonable for the services provided in the specific market where you are.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Rich,

I feel sure in stating that it is the resp. of the BOD to determine whether or not the financial records of the assn need to be audited. Check out your bylaws and state law, one or both may require a yearly financial audit. Sometimes the audit is required to be performed by a licensed CPA, sometimes not. I would definitely recommend a licensed CPA perform the audit and one who is not associated with the mgmt co.

Do you know why some members think the mgmt co is getting a kick-back from the attorney? If this is happening it's not something that would show up on the assn's financial statements. So, if this is the only reason for wanting an audit, IMO, it would be a waste. However, that doesn't mean an audit shouldn't be performed. Some assn's should definitely be audited yearly; others every 2-5 years, depending upon the size of the budget.

The fact that some members are not paying their dues does not mean they should not be listened to or that they don't have any rights. BTW, what action is the board taking to collect from these delinquent members?
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
If I might interject something, since it's the homeowners who are delinquent complaining I would guess that the MC and / or the attorney add what can seem like exorbitant legal fees to the delinquent accounts.

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