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PeterB1 (Florida)
Posts: 257
Posted:
Our Covenants specifically disallow painted (or epoxied) driveways. A new resident applied to the ARB for a waiver - several months ago. Their justification was that in the past several driveways were painted (a sleeping Board?). Unfortunately, one of the painted driveways was theirs! The ARB said no exceptions. They were told to leave the driveway as is or remove the paint.

Today, someone reported their driveway was painted - brick red (it was gray). Now the Board has a dilemma.

1. We can ignore what happened (sleeping Board) and the exceptions will continue.
2. We can 'demand' the paint be removed and levy fines as necessary.
3. Do something with the wisdom of Solomon (I leave that to you).

Had the resident not ask permission and been denied that permission, this would be more manageable.

Suggestions?
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Peter, they called your bluff.

Now you get to see how much teeth your board actually has in it.

I would send them a violation notice, giving them XX days to repair or fines begin. If violation is not corrected, aside from fines, the HOA can also begin legal proceedings to have a judge compel compliance.

It will be trickier, but not impossible, because there was a "sleeping" board in the past. But as long as you can show consistent enforcement once the complaints are received, you should be okay.

DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Give them official notice that they have 30 days to return the driveway color back to gray or the Board will start to fine them (hopefully you have the ability to fine.)

Also, check your docks to see if the association has the ability to do the changes if the owner refuses. My documents allow for the Board to do the repair and charge the owner for the work and the bill is added to their monthly assessments. Failure to pay assessmnts results in the ability for the association to place a lein on the property. This isn't about brick red or gray driveways. It is about a CC&R denial being ignored and the Board needing to take the correct stand against a violation.

As for the others, why was the painting ignored. This is a rule in the CC&Rs, not just an ARC guideline. Now you are verging on selective enforcement and that is not a happy road to go down.

How many driveways are already painted a color in violation?
DianeW (Maryland)
Posts: 147
Posted:
While in discussion with our lawyer yesterday, a similar question was asked about what to do with covenant violations that have been ignored through the years. He said that failure to take immediate action against a violation makes it more difficult when the violation reoccurs. If violations have been allowed for a number of years, the restriction becomes unenforceable. This is in the state of Florida. Other states might be different.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Well, it makes it harder, but not impossible. MOST CC&Rs have a clause something along the lines of "failure to enforce in the past does not waive the right to enforce in the future."

It can be done, and it should be done.

This is why I nag, er, preach consistency of enforcement.

But I would check on that if allowed for a number of years then not enforceable very carefully.

That may apply to SPECIFIC violations and forcing those specific violations to now come into compliance, but will not apply to any OTHER violations of similar or the same breach that are current.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Also, don't expect a judge to rule in your favor if you reason for violating a covenant was because you neighbor did the same thing and was not noticed. There was an Office of Admin Hearing ruling in AZ where the judge ruled that because one member did not receive notice of a covenant violation did not give another member the right to violate the same covenant. There are many justifiable reasons why one member may be granted a waiver for a particular covenant.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Was the driveway painted grey? (the FIRST violation?)

PeterB1 (Florida)
Posts: 257
Posted:
The head of the ARB pointed out to me: "I had a lengthy conversation with them over this. They were well aware that it was against our ARB Guidelines and that they could not paint their driveway."

I think that is the primary issue. If you ask and are told "You can't do that..." and then you do it anyway, you should incur the wrath of the HOA. I don't want to take people to court, I want them to be good neighbors. These folks are not being good neighbors.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
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Posted By PeterB1 on 10/31/2009 5:47 PM
The head of the ARB pointed out to me: "I had a lengthy conversation with them over this. They were well aware that it was against our ARB Guidelines and that they could not paint their driveway."

I think that is the primary issue. If you ask and are told "You can't do that..." and then you do it anyway, you should incur the wrath of the HOA. I don't want to take people to court, I want them to be good neighbors. These folks are not being good neighbors.

Well, I sorta kinda take offense to the statement that fulling enforcing the covenants is suffering the "wrath" of the HOA. When you are caught speeding, do you suffer the wrath of the police?

Unfortunately for you, you may well have to take them to court. If you truly want to maintain the integrity of your documents, as your resident community is expecting you to do, then you may have to pull that trigger.

But go through the first steps.

Send them a formal written notice that they are in violation and require compliance in XXX days (whatever your documents say or whatever other guiding rules say the time period should be).

Make sure they know that if the violation is not corrected within that time period that a fine will be imposed for each day they are out of compliance.

If compliance is still not obtained within XX days after a second notice, turn it over to your attorney and start the legal process.

They may continue to call your bluff (it seems just from reading these few posts that your HOA has a history of backing down, so maybe they are on solid ground to keep calling your bluff).

If they do, then the letter from the attorney might be a wake-up call, and they may decide to fix the problem.

If not, then have the attorney send a draft of the lawsuit you will file to compel compliance.

It's nothing personal against them. It's a contract to which they agreed when they moved in. Your simply upholding your end and performing the job required of you by the same covenants.

"Wrath" has nothing to do with it.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
**the word "fulling" above should be "fully" **
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
sheesh. I should read my posts before hitting "submit":

"Your simply upholding your end and performing the job required of you by the same covenants. "

Should be "You're simply . . . . . "
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Peter,

Well, it's just the word of the ARB head against the member! Never rely on verbal conversations. Everything should be in writing then the BOD (and the courts) know for sure the member knew what he did was in violation of the covenants. A verbal conversation will come back to bite you everytime -- take it from someone who knows!!
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
I don't think the board can force the homeowner to remove the violation that has been ignored (allowed) for so many years, but could insist that is not be "expanded in violation" i.e. not painted a different color.

MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
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Posted By SusanW1 on 11/01/2009 5:43 AM
I don't think the board can force the homeowner to remove the violation that has been ignored (allowed) for so many years, but could insist that is not be "expanded in violation" i.e. not painted a different color.


In this case the violation has not existed for a number of years. It's my understanding that this homeowner just recently did the painting of the driveway. Apparently there has been one or two who have painted theirs some years ago and the board was asleep at the wheel.

That does not mean that the board cannot enforce against THIS homeowner.

And even if it were a "he said/she said" situation with the ARC guy and the homeowner, apparently there was no written approval given, so the violation still exists.

Enforcement is possible, and, if this board wants to continue to maintain the integrity of the governing documents (which former boards have clearly not wanted to do), then they need to move forward to enforce against this homeowner and require compliance.
DJ1 (Ontario)
Posts: 798
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DonnaS on 10/31/2009 1:24 PM

Give them official notice that they have 30 days to return the driveway color back to gray or the Board will start to fine them (hopefully you have the ability to fine.)

Also, check your docks to see if the association has the ability to do the changes if the owner refuses. My documents allow for the Board to do the repair and charge the owner for the work and the bill is added to their monthly assessments. Failure to pay assessmnts results in the ability for the association to place a lein on the property. This isn't about brick red or gray driveways. It is about a CC&R denial being ignored and the Board needing to take the correct stand against a violation.

As for the others, why was the painting ignored. This is a rule in the CC&Rs, not just an ARC guideline. Now you are verging on selective enforcement and that is not a happy road to go down.

How many driveways are already painted a color in violation?

Donna, not opposed to what you are suggesting but just wonder what contractor in their right mind would show up to do this kind of work...without POLICE protection. The work would take a while and if I was the contractor I'd be worried about the liability to my workers when a HO comes out and starts shootin'! I'm serious.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
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Posted By DJ1 on 11/01/2009 7:28 AM
Posted By DonnaS on 10/31/2009 1:24 PM

Give them official notice that they have 30 days to return the driveway color back to gray or the Board will start to fine them (hopefully you have the ability to fine.)

Also, check your docks to see if the association has the ability to do the changes if the owner refuses. My documents allow for the Board to do the repair and charge the owner for the work and the bill is added to their monthly assessments. Failure to pay assessmnts results in the ability for the association to place a lein on the property. This isn't about brick red or gray driveways. It is about a CC&R denial being ignored and the Board needing to take the correct stand against a violation.

As for the others, why was the painting ignored. This is a rule in the CC&Rs, not just an ARC guideline. Now you are verging on selective enforcement and that is not a happy road to go down.

How many driveways are already painted a color in violation?


Donna, not opposed to what you are suggesting but just wonder what contractor in their right mind would show up to do this kind of work...without POLICE protection. The work would take a while and if I was the contractor I'd be worried about the liability to my workers when a HO comes out and starts shootin'! I'm serious.

I understand what you are saying, DJ. In the one case we had to do this, we actually ended up with a sheriff escort. He didn't have to stay, but it was a precaution as the work got started and also to escort the animal control people when they had to remove the resident's 3 dogs.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

DJ,

I know that it seems like a radical way to get a H.O. into compliance. My association did have such wording in it's CC&Rs and we did have a couple of ARC items that got down to the wire, needing the Board to make a decision on whether to go to the last ditch resort, which would have been to do the work, bill the owner and then dodge the bullets as you say.

But the Statutes do require great notification of it's violation laws. Nothing was ever started until the HOA lawyer had given the situation his last best effort. By then, anyone who could think outside of their own egos, had complied and fixed the problems. I guess that we were lucky but every Board must do their duty and enforce the documents.

This should never be a struggle over who is the meanest, toughest or smartest. It's all about doing what you were elected or appointed to do for the HOA.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Peter,

It's really very simple. A past board allowed them to paint the driveway therefore, therefore those homes that received previous approval were approved.

Question: Does you Association allow members to repaint their homes the same color without Association approval (a maintenance process vs. an actual change)? If it does, then logically this process should apply to any painted surface, including the driveway. However, based on your post, this is not what happened.

Your member, as I gathered from your post, submitted a request to change the color of the paint to red. That request was denied.

Your member, chose to violate the CC&Rs and the denial of his request and painted the driveway red anyway.

Your Association must therefore, go through the enforcement process of your Association to return the driveway to the previous color.

The infraction would be that the member changed colors without prior approval. Nothing else. The issue of the driveway being painted earlier does not apply. The previous approval to paint the driveway from an earlier board does not apply.

All the Association needs to do is stick to the facts - and keep them simple: A color change requested was denied and the member chose to do it anyway. Nothing more, nothing less.

Had the member actually painted the driveway gray (the original color) and the Association denied him to properly maintain it by applying more gray paint, the Association would probably lose in court. This would be because, I suspect, that they don't disallow any other member from maintaining their painted surfaces. Fortunately, for the Association, the member painted it red so this discussion doesn't enter into the violation.

So by simply enforcing the rules caused by the infraction you will be showing the wisdom of Soloman by not overturning a ruling by a previous board and demonstrating the fairness of the Association by applying the rules equally to everyone.

I'm not a lawyer and I don't work within the legal profession. I'm offering advise based on your posting, research, personal experiences and, hopefully, some common sense.

Hope it helps,

Tim

JohnH18 (Georgia)
Posts: 17
Posted:
I agree with TimB4
CheyenneJ (Texas)
Posts: 11
Posted:
So your board is going to allow some exceptions and not others? The membership should be told what the board failed to do and polled to find out if membership wants to remove the sloppy board members. Do you have an HOA manager, this is the kind of thing they can prevent.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
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Posted By CheyenneJ on 11/04/2009 11:14 AM
So your board is going to allow some exceptions and not others? The membership should be told what the board failed to do and polled to find out if membership wants to remove the sloppy board members. Do you have an HOA manager, this is the kind of thing they can prevent.

I don't know how you figure that. HOA managers (I'm assuming you mean management companies) work for the board, not the other way around.

I think the board is making a huge step in the right direction, by the way.

They need to pick their battles and determine what and where they can win.

No doubt reaching backwards would be a logistical nightmare if not an impossibility.

A prudent course of action is to reinforce the rules to everyone and let it be known that from XX point forward, there will be no waivers, no exceptions.

When the older homes need to be redone, they will need to be brought into compliance, so it's not a total loss nor a total walk-away.

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