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JamesC (Maryland)
Posts: 282
Posted:
Does anyone have experience with decisions to accept or not to accept the prior months minutes of the recording secretary? The board of nine members meet once a month.
If a board member believes the minutes do not reflect the actual statements made at the meeting, and votes not to accept them, and they are still passed by the majority I would guess they still are made a part of the record. But does it not leave some doubt in the minds of the corporate homeowners who were not at the meeting, and will read the results in the community newsletter, or on the community web site?
Just curious, because I have never seen the minutes having not been passed by a unaminious vote before.

Thanks:
Jim
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
James the minutes shouldn't as a rule have statements from Board members, the minutes shouldn't be a transcript of everything that was said but a record of what happened.

Motion to pay the landscape bill for November 2009 in the amount of $ , made by GlenL
Motion seconded by JamesC.
Motion passed unanimously

When the minutes are read or presented to the BOD before the motion to accept the chair should ask any additions - corrections. That is the time to correct any thing that is not right.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
James,

First of all, the treasurer's report is "accepted", but the minutes are "approved" by the BOD.

The proper procedure for approving the minutes is:

1) Pres calls for the minutes to be read or asks for a motion to dispense with reading the minutes
2) Pres asks if there are any corrections to be made to the minutes
3) Any board member may ask that a particular correction be made. If there is no opposition to the correction(s), the secretary makes note of it (them). If a board member disagrees with the proposed correction, the BOD can discuss it and decide whether or not the correction is appropriate. (I've never seen this happen!)
4) Pres calls for a motion to approve the minutes; if corrections were made - a motion to approve as corrected
5) Board members vote on motion
6) Secretary makes appropriate corrections to the official copy of the minutes and those corrections are noted in the minutes of the meeting.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

James,

Accepting is done when there are no corrections to the minutes.

If you do not agree with what is written, you correct them. Then the corrected minutes are motioned for acceptance. Minutes are not passed, they are accepted as written or accepted as corrected. As a few have stated, minutes should not contain conversations but motions and votes on items.

If you disagree with the contents, then you motion for a correction. If your Board is doing otherwise, then I suggest a copy of Roberts Rules for meetings, simplified version, be on hand at all meetings.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
And after all the corrections are noted, the president can say
"There being no other additions or corrections, let the record show the minutes are approved."

JamesC (Maryland)
Posts: 282
Posted:
Thanks:

All very good answers.

Jim
LynetteB (Texas)
Posts: 141
Posted:
James,

Our Secretary is supposed to send an email with the draft minutes to all of the board members for review. Any one of us can send an email to the Secretary or copy all of the board saying they disagree with something or that something was left out. Generally some of the members will just send me, I'm the Pres, their concerns, I will "mark up" the draft showing my suggested changes in red and send it back to the Secretary. On occasion, we have to work out a disagreement. We then will include a motion to approve those minutes at the next monthly meeting.

If you question your boards minutes, then use your voice. Keep a record of discrepancies if necessary.

Reviewing our draft minutes prior to the meeting has helped bring out some voices that would otherwise remain silent.

fyi - since I have been on our board there has always been something incorrect in the draft.

Lynette
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
While it is not normally the case that any significant differences are unable to be resolved, is the question here: What is done if a Board member take serious exception to something that was voted accepted. I don't know for certain but I would think the President would require that a notation be made in the record, and decree that the exception will be discussed and a decision made and noted in the next meeting. If this exception to the minutes is considered by the president or consensus of the Board, to have merit, I would think it then would be made an agenda item and resolved formally.

I also agree it is possible, and I have seen it happen that board members and/or owners can get way to picky over minutes. Sometimes, it is more a way to show discontent, than to be constructive; the purpose of the call to accept the minutes.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
The more factual the mintues, the less need for "corrections"
If this is an on-going issue with the board, then the minutes are not being taken corectly.
Probably too much he-said, she-said in them.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Lynette,

Your procedure is the same one our board used when I and my husband were board members (not at the same time). However, even though the draft has been corrected, the Pres. should call for a motion to approve the minutes at the board meeting. This is a matter that should be on the record.

My current BOD has a paid recorder take the minutes. She, of course, is very professional (even takes the minutes of our City council meetings) however, almost every month there is one or two corrections to make. Oftentimes it's only to change a word. Our Pres, especially, is very thorough which is great. I've seen boards that never made corrections to minutes, even though they were full of errors. When I questioned a board Pres about this his remark was that he didn't want to embarrass the Sec!
LynetteB (Texas)
Posts: 141
Posted:
MaryA1,
Thanks for the wisdom, but I did make the comment, "We then will include a motion to approve those minutes at the next monthly meeting."
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Lynette,

Sorry; I see you did say that!
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Another option is to make motions for each correction. Yes, you could do this.

You can also, as president, rule to remove any dilatory/controversial/unclear statement from the minutes that do harm to the HOA. Yes, you can do this.

But I am curious about WHAT could possibly be in dispute. Could you give an example?

I still think you are aruguing over subjective issues which have no place in correct minutes.

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