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MegL (Florida)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Our HOA has run out of money due to a 2009 budget error that has just been realized. We changed management companies in May of 2008. When the 'new management company' showed the proposed 2009 budget to the board 'at that time' nothing seemed amiss and the budget was approved. Now that we are nearing the end of 2009 with No Money, the present board is scrambling as to what to do. (Our elections are in June. We have 5 board members with 2 changed out June of 2009) For the 2009 budget, the management company listed their fees as $4200.00 instead of the actual $7200.00. One reason it probably wasn't caught was the old management fees were $4200.00 in 2008 and 2009 was also listed $4200.00. Now we have the 2010 budget showing the management figure $7200.00. We questioned the CM and she said it was incorrect and should be $4200.00. That's when all the lights and whistles went off. The real budget figure should be $7200.00. There was also a $500 discrepancy with the CPA figure. All along they have been taking out a monthly figure equal to the $7200.00 annual. My question is: do we have any recourse with the Management company to uphold the Annual Figure given to us in the 2009 Budget?

The Attorney fees are also mounting due to all the Foreclosures. Each time a Foreclosure Complaint letter is sent to the attorney for a response it costs the HOA $250.00. I was recently told by the a President of another HOA that he responds to the Foreclosure letters and doesn't have the attorney handle it due to the cost involved. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? If it's that easy, Self Management might be a way out of this problem. I don't think we could do any worse.

BTW: The neighborhood is 3 years old with 64 homes. Since 2006, 18 have gone into foreclosure.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Meg,

I'm sorry to hear about the issues you are going through. As for what monies are due the management company the budget means nothing. You need to read the contract that was signed and see what that says. This is the figure that counts and what the Association had agreed to pay.

I'm not a lawyer and I don't work within the legal profession. However, after so many foreclosures, the Board should have a template of a letter to follow. If you know how to properly file the forms, I would consider doing it myself or perhaps look for a new attorney or maybe a paralegal that could type and file the paperwork for less.

One other option might be to become self managed. You could probably hire a bookkeeper for less than you are paying the management company. I live in a complex of 130 lots and we are self managed, so it is possible. However, depending on the length of contract you signed with the management company, you might be stuck in this situation for a while.

Hope this helps,

Tim
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Your board needs to figure out what exactly the "tasks" are that this company is doing for you.

Then figure out a per hour rate and hire these jobs out.

Sorry, but IMHO, for an HOA with 64 homes, your board should scale back and sub-contract out all work.

CharlesR5 (Texas)
Posts: 28
Posted:
meg,
we are an HOA of 900 property owners, and we are self managed. if we can self manage ( and they do a very poor job ) i don't see how hard it could be. all the problems i see is the left hand not checking in with the right hand, no check and balance system. if your board can keep it all in check and do their homework as if this was their personal money and budget for their home,it can be a piece of cake. most property owners get on a board to grind an axw ,instead of trying to make a positive difference. out source all accounting to a certified accounting company to keep your money in check and let the board do what they are elected to do and that is to make sure the bylaws,covenents are followed.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Meg,

The mgmt co fee should be stated in their contract. Regardless of what has been budgeted, the assn must pay them the fee that is stated in their contract. Even if the mgr showed the wrong figure on the budget, a board member (the treas) should have noticed the error. It should be no surprise what the mgmt co fee is.

When a member account is turned over to your attorney for collection, the attorney should bill his fee directly to the member. This is the procedure used by my assn and our attorney. This way the HOA does not have to pay the attorney fees then try to collect them from the member. BTW, what is a foreclosure complaint letter?

With only 64 homes your board may want to consider self-management with the possibility of hiring a bookkeeping service. Of course that would mean that the board members would have more work to do including taking care of CCR violations.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
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Posted By MaryA1 on 11/02/2009 3:03 PM
BTW, what is a foreclosure complaint letter?

Mary when someone, usually the mortgage holder, files foreclosure on the property other creditors who might have a claim on the property are notified and have X # of days to reply to get in line for any funds.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Thx Glen.
DeeS1 (Michigan)
Posts: 223
Posted:
Why did your fees go up so much in one year? Read your management contract carefully. Our MC can only charge us for homes with actual CofOs, which the builder doesn't usually get until just prior to sale, but they have tried to charge for spec homes. They reversed the charges when questioned. Also, many MC contracts stipulate a yearly percentage fee increase. I believe ours was 5% -- this helps with budgeting.

My community is 52 homes, and we use a mangement company. I believe, with high foreclosure like we too have, it is worth every penny. I would ask your MC to provide some competitve bids for collections (multiple lawyers and collection companies). My experience is that lawyers have always been more successful, but there are collection companies that will only collect their fees when they collect from the homeowner.

When is your fiscal year over? If you intend to stay with the MC and since this was a fairly large oversite on their part, you might approach them to make arrangements on allowing you to pay off their fees with next year's budget. Is your budget so tight that there is no room for such overages? You should maintain an "operational reserve" of approximately 25% overly your budget expectations as well as a "capital replacement reserve" of whatever your state requires. Building both of these funds if they don't exist needs to be added to your next year's budget.

Otherwise, if you are out of money, and have a contract that you can't work with them on, you will need to special assess the comunity -- which the MC propably charges something like $15 per unit for too -- plus it makes everyone unhappy.

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