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PatriciaF (New Mexico)
Posts: 20
Posted:
What is the difference between covenants and association rules....our covenants state the board shall be empowered to adopt, amend or repeal such rules and regulations as it deems reasonable....etc....I am the President....so I thought the rules were the covenants... The covenants say there is no overnight parking....does this mean that the board can for example make a rule to allow homeowners to have some overnight parking during the Christmas Holiday season only for visiting family members or guests....

Thank you as always
Patricia
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Rules are additional regulations that expand on the covenants, but may not contradict them.

If something is forbidden in your documents, making a rule allowing for that under certain circumstances would be a contradiction to your documents.

So, in my opinion, if your documents say that overnight parking is not allowed, you cannot make an "exception" to that covenant with a "rule."

You would need to create an amendment to accommodate a change like that.

If your covenants actually say that overnight parking is disallowed except during the "Christmas Holidays," your board can make a rule that more precisely defines that period, say, from December 20 through December 28 only, for example.

PatriciaF (New Mexico)
Posts: 20
Posted:
Thank you...that make good sense....may I ask you another example....last year the board told the community at the annual meeting that with regret we would need to implement fines for certain items such as disobeying the posted speed limit....not care for landscaping....it just seems that being nice with letters falls on deaf ears...but hitting someone in the pocketbook works wonders...although no formal vote was taken by the community ...everyone agreed...covenant or association rule?
TracieS (Colorado)
Posts: 460
Posted:
Do your documents allow the association to collect monetary fines for these types of CCR or rule violations?
PatriciaF (New Mexico)
Posts: 20
Posted:
Not at this time...we had hoped it wouldn't be necessary....this association is 9 years old....96% percent of the people are just gold....but a few just do not understand this life style...we are a small community...60 homes so if a few are not complying...it makes the entire area look unkempt...I suppose we will have to amend the convenants....I had hoped associations rules would have made the process earier....
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Patricia:

That would depend on what your governing documents say your board can do to enforce the restrictions.

That covenant would be written in such a way as to say something like:

Section 1. Enforcement. Enforcement of these restrictions shall be proceeding of law or in equity (including fines), brought by an owner or by Developer against any party violating or attempting to violate any covenant or restriction, either to restrain violation, to direct restoration and/or to recover damages, failure of any owner or Developer to demand or insist upon observance of any of these restrictions, or to proceed for restraint of violations, shall not be deemed a waiver of the violation, or the right to seek enforcement of these restrictions.

From such a covenant, the board can then develop a Rule & Regulation that would establish a fine schedule.

MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
I will attest to the fact that fines, and threats of fines, do seem to help encourage compliance.

Our board has been enforcing covenants for over 12 years. Up until this year we had a process whereby we would send 2 warnings and requests for compliance, then, if not rectified, the attorney would send 2 warnings and requests for compliance. Then, if still not rectified, we would file a complaint to compel compliance (or obtain an injunction).

Last spring we developed a schedule of fines for various violations.

Now we only get as far as the second letter because that one contains the invoice for the fines that have begun accruing from the date of notification and request for compliance.

Week before last, we verified a complaint that one of our homeowners was parking on the street in excess of four hours and overnight.

We sent a first notice reminding them of the restriction, acknowledging that most people don't realize they have violated a covenant but once notified, rectify it voluntarily.

That notice now also mentions that if the parking does not cease within 48 hours of the date of the notice, that we would begin accruing fines for the violation, up to $50 a day from the date of the violation.

The resident, as is typical, ignored the first letter.

Yesterday they received the second notice requesting compliance, along with an invoice, due and payable in 30 days for $350.

The resident called just a half hour ago apologizing, didn't know about the restriction, didn't get the first notice, is there a way we can waive the fines if they stop parking immediately, etc etc.

For the record, we did conditionally waive the accrued fines, giving them the "benefit of the doubt," because the goal is COMPLIANCE, not punishment or to make $$.

However, we told the resident the very next time the car is noticed on the street in violation, the fines would be reinstated and additional fines may accrue as well.

TracieS (Colorado)
Posts: 460
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Posted By PatriciaF on 10/15/2009 2:34 PM
96% percent of the people are just gold....but a few just do not understand this life style...

I just had to comment...

I think this may be pretty standard. We usually spend 80% of the time on about 4%-10% that are our "problem children". The rest...seem to be just trying to get along in a neighborhood environment.

I give you big kudos for trying to nip the violations in the bud. Post more info about your documents, and I'll bet we can assist. Just like Michele said...it's *PROBABLY* in there... It just might not be where you think it will be, and it may or may not read like you thought it would...

I wasn't implying that your documents would lay out a fee schedule for violations...that would be odd (to me). Of course, my documents total about 30 pages (one side only - 19 townhome units, 25 years old). But, the authority to enforce covenents AND rules should be laid out pretty clearly, especially if you're only 9 years old.
TracieS (Colorado)
Posts: 460
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Posted By MicheleD on 10/15/2009 2:45 PM
Week before last, we verified a complaint that one of our homeowners was parking on the street in excess of four hours and overnight.


I'm curious, Michele. Are your streets private?

I HATE all the cars parked on the (public) street on which our association is located. Each townhome unit (we're two bed/one bath "rowhouse" style) has a TWO car garage. Why can't they park in the garage??? I know one garage is completely open and another one is packed from floor to roof with their boxes and crap.

I wonder if there's anything our association can do... Thoughts?
MichaelK11 (Texas)
Posts: 432
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Posted By TracieS on 10/15/2009 2:46 PM
Post more info about your documents, and I'll bet we can assist.
I'm surprised more posters don't just post their documents as MS Word or PDF attachments.

Patricia, can you do that?
PatriciaF (New Mexico)
Posts: 20
Posted:
I do not see anything about enforcement....I do see enforcement of Lien which is getting ahead of the problem....When I read "associaiton rules" I thought great we can fix the few in this way....One thing we do have is a lot of info about the board members not being able to be sue bythe homeowners....I think I need a more thought out set of convenants and to the have a vote of the community and filed at the county....what do you think...
MichaelK11 (Texas)
Posts: 432
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(Except perhaps to protect their HOA's anonymity.)
PatriciaF (New Mexico)
Posts: 20
Posted:
I could jump for joy....you were right....^.16 Enforcement....the associa....or its authorized agents may enter any lot in which a violation of these resrictions exists andmay correct such violation at the expense of the owner of such lot. Such expenses, and such fines as my imposed pursuant to the Bylaws, Aoociation rules or Design Guidelines. shall be a Special Assessment secured by a lien upon such lot. All rights and remedies available at low or equity shall be available in the event of any breach b any ownr, member occupant or other person of the provision of this section.....

I am in awe of a $350.00 fine....I had thought of maybe 2 letters then $25.00 $75.00 $100.00 and to the attorney last....and you are right...these are our neighbors...we want to make them comply more then fine...but whatever it takes
TracieS (Colorado)
Posts: 460
Posted:
Patricia,

Let's back up just a step or two.

What document are you looking at? I have three that I refer to as my association's "governing documents". Here's how I think of them...

One - Articles of Incorporation - My association is incorporated in the state of Colorado as a non-profit corporation. My Articles layout some items such as election of the BOD, annual meeting of the members, proxy...etc.

Two - Bylaws - These are the "laws" that my association uses in its administration.

Three - CCR - Covenents, Conditions, and Restrictions - The CCRs are where violations, enforcements, insurance requirements, parking requirements, etc. These "run with the land", and can only be changed by a membership amendment.

Since what you're reading just details a LOT of information about how individual board members cannot be sued by individual members/owners, I'm GUESSING you're looking at your Articles.
TracieS (Colorado)
Posts: 460
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Posted By PatriciaF on 10/15/2009 2:58 PM

I am in awe of a $350.00 fine....I had thought of maybe 2 letters then $25.00 $75.00 $100.00 and to the attorney last....and you are right...these are our neighbors...we want to make them comply more then fine...but whatever it takes

Well, if the violation occurs every day (or is left uncorrected for several days), you would fine PER DAY. I'd use that one for a "permanent" violation. If you guys do things like when garbage can be put out, that might be a PER OCCURENCE fine.

You've found the authority!!!! Now, it's time to start a Policy/Procedure on Covenent and Rule Enforcement, with a fine schedule.
PatriciaF (New Mexico)
Posts: 20
Posted:
I have By Laws....under which are articles....rules on governing meetings...duties of board members
next Declarations of Covenants,C onditions and Restrictions---this document includes Arch Guidelines..finally I have a amendment to the Arch guidelings....
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
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Posted By TracieS on 10/15/2009 2:49 PM

I'm curious, Michele. Are your streets private?

I HATE all the cars parked on the (public) street on which our association is located. Each townhome unit (we're two bed/one bath "rowhouse" style) has a TWO car garage. Why can't they park in the garage??? I know one garage is completely open and another one is packed from floor to roof with their boxes and crap.

I wonder if there's anything our association can do... Thoughts?

Our streets are PUBLIC. At least here in Kentucky, if the development has restrictions regarding parking on the streets, whether a gated community, private roads or public roads, the covenants are enforceable.

Now, the local police department will not enforce our covenants, but we can. Our restriction regarding on-street parking even allows us to "tow at the owner's expense," however, on advice by our attorney, we do not tow until and unless we take it in front of a judge who will then give us a court order allowing us to tow.

Now, legally we could still tow them without that, but in case you tow someone who gets really really mad and is sue-happy, we want to better protect ourselves in case he screams that our towing damaged his transmission, caused his stereo to disappear, etc etc.

TracieS (Colorado)
Posts: 460
Posted:
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Posted By MicheleD on 10/15/2009 3:07 PM
Posted By TracieS on 10/15/2009 2:49 PM

I'm curious, Michele. Are your streets private?

I HATE all the cars parked on the (public) street on which our association is located. Each townhome unit (we're two bed/one bath "rowhouse" style) has a TWO car garage. Why can't they park in the garage??? I know one garage is completely open and another one is packed from floor to roof with their boxes and crap.

I wonder if there's anything our association can do... Thoughts?


Our streets are PUBLIC. At least here in Kentucky, if the development has restrictions regarding parking on the streets, whether a gated community, private roads or public roads, the covenants are enforceable.

Now, the local police department will not enforce our covenants, but we can. Our restriction regarding on-street parking even allows us to "tow at the owner's expense," however, on advice by our attorney, we do not tow until and unless we take it in front of a judge who will then give us a court order allowing us to tow.

Now, legally we could still tow them without that, but in case you tow someone who gets really really mad and is sue-happy, we want to better protect ourselves in case he screams that our towing damaged his transmission, caused his stereo to disappear, etc etc.


Intriguing....yet another item to add to my ever expaning to-do list... THANKS!!!!!!!!

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