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AndrewR1 (New Jersey)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Went to my second HOA meeting yesterday and it was even more entertaining than the first. Ten homeowners showed up along with our board and property manager.

Here is my question:

If the homeowners vote, and by majority, vote to replace their wood siding with siding which will require a substantional special assessment to be levied,what happens if the homeowner can't afford to pay it? Our managing agent said the assessment may be approximately $6,000.

The HOA can't get homeowners to pay their $155/month association fee. This may be a moot point since the HOA can even get owners to vote on anything, let alone vote to incurr an additional $6,000 charge.

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Believe me, if you want to try to get a $6000 assessment voted in, you WILL get voter turn out.

Check your bylaws or CCRs. I have a feeling you will need more than just a majority to pass this increase.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Andrew,

I agree with Susan. But, in answer to your question. Regardless of whether you can afford to pay the special assessment or not you are obligated to pay it. Hopefully if the special assessment does pass the board will not require it to be paid in one lump sum, but rather in monthly installments. Otherwise you will have to either take out a personal loan or ask the board if you can set up a payment plan, otherwise your account will be delinquent and you will be subject to late payments and whatever else the board undertakes to collect delinquencies -- foreclosure being the last resort.

Since the board is talking about a special assessment I'm thinking they have not taken steps to set up a reserve account. This is a gross mismanagement of the assn, IMO. Perhaps you can enlighten them on the importance of having a reserve fund. Setting one up may mean an increase in the assessments but that's a much better alternative than a special assessment.
AndrewR1 (New Jersey)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Thanks for your answers. I would hope the HOA would figure out the cost and pass it through as an additional monthly assessment over a fixed period. With regard to a reserve account, I am looking at the 12/31/07 financials and the HOA has a replacement fund with $56K in it. No mention of siding in the additional footnote which breaks out the $56K. To be honest the replacement study was last done in 2000 and I am quite nervous to see what an outside consultant would determine needs replacing today.

I would love to speak to an attorney because I feel the managing agent and previous board have grossly mismanaged the develpoment. At the last meeting a homeowner wanted to know how something was voted on and the managing agent basically told him that he didn't know since he wasn't the account exec at the time. He failed to understand that he is the owner of the management company and his ignorance may not fly in a court of law. Anyway I told them that the board should look at the HOA minutes since this should be documented in them. The board told me they weren't sure if they had minutes and I basically told them they could be potentially breaching their fiduciary responsibility. They all looked like a deer in headlights.
AndrewR1 (New Jersey)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Thanks for your answers. I would hope the HOA would figure out the cost and pass it through as an additional monthly assessment over a fixed period. With regard to a reserve account, I am looking at the 12/31/07 financials and the HOA has a replacement fund with $56K in it. No mention of siding in the additional footnote which breaks out the $56K. To be honest the replacement study was last done in 2000 and I am quite nervous to see what an outside consultant would determine needs replacing today.

I would love to speak to an attorney because I feel the managing agent and previous board have grossly mismanaged the develpoment. At the last meeting a homeowner wanted to know how something was voted on and the managing agent basically told him that he didn't know since he wasn't the account exec at the time. He failed to understand that he is the owner of the management company and his ignorance may not fly in a court of law. Anyway I told them that the board should look at the HOA minutes since this should be documented in them. The board told me they weren't sure if they had minutes and I basically told them they could be potentially breaching their fiduciary responsibility. They all looked like a deer in headlights.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Andrew,

I can't imagine that siding replacement would not be in the "replacement fund". Do you know what the total cost of the siding replacement will be? Perhaps there's not enough in the fund to cover the whole cost w/o depleting the fund or at least not leaving monies in there for other replacement projects coming up. Hard to determine w/o knowing exactly what is covered in the fund.

IMO, not keeping minutes may not qualify, in itself, as a breach of fiduciary resp; however, mismanagement of assn funds certainly would. But, you would have to have supporting evidence that this has occured. When ruling on such an accusation, the courts generally use the business judgment rule, which is whatever any other individual would do in a like situation. All aspects of the situation would be looked at, not just whether minutes have been kept or whether the board knows how a particular item was voted on in the past. I believe it's a very hard accusation to prove. But, just making the claim to the board may give them cause to seriously look at how they are operating and to make some changes for the good.
TracieS (Colorado)
Posts: 460
Posted:
Mary, They don't already have siding. They're considering a special assessment to replace whatever it is that they currently have WITH siding.

A brand new item to be added to the reserve fund for replacement down the road.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Tracy,

Sorry, I didn't catch that! However, if whatever they now have is an item in the replacement fund, perhaps the funds allocated for that could be used for the siding.
TracieS (Colorado)
Posts: 460
Posted:
Good point.

I wonder if there's money "allocated" to "siding" in the reserve/replacement fund.
AndrewR1 (New Jersey)
Posts: 8
Posted:
The managing agent's rough guesstimate would be around $550K to do the whole development with vinyl siding. The HOA has a maintenance fund that it uses to currently maintain the buildings in the development by painting 4 a year and by covering $150/unit in wood replacement. Paint and wood replacement currently costs $25-20K a year. I'm not sure if I told you but we have wood siding and would look to replace with vinyl and the HOA does not have any allocated funds for potential vinyl siding.

The agent was saying we could borrow the money and pay it back over 5 years but without assessing for it now I can't see us borrowing in the immediate future.
TracieS (Colorado)
Posts: 460
Posted:
Could you do building by building, instead of all at once?

Can your HOA take out a loan? (Do you have a credit rating?) If your managing agent seems to think you could get a loan... But, I see your point...why get the loan if there's no increase in assessments...

Is your wood siding in REALLY bad shape, or is this mostly for aesthetics and future cost savings?
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Andrew,

One possibility would be to undertake the project one section at a time. It may take several years and perhaps the members would be faced with several smaller special assessments instead of one large one.

It seems to me that however much is being spent every year to maintain the wood siding can be used toward the cost of the vinyl siding. Also if any funds have been earmarked in the replacement fund for the wood siding, those funds can now be used for the vinyl siding.
TracieS (Colorado)
Posts: 460
Posted:
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Posted By AndrewR1 on 10/16/2009 1:34 PM
The HOA has a maintenance fund that it uses to currently maintain the buildings in the development by painting 4 a year and by covering $150/unit in wood replacement. Paint and wood replacement currently costs $25-20K a year.

This sounds like these "repairs" could be coming out of your "operations" budget.

How do you guys have your money sorted out? Operations and Maintenance? Operations, Maintenance, AND Reserves?

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