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KrystleS (California)
Posts: 2
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Hi everyone,

I'm glad I found this forum. Seems like a lot of things I've wondered about have been answered.

I do have a new question to inquire about. We have a homeowner who regularly complains that he can hear his upstair neighbor's sewer pipe. He says he can hear the water rushing down the pipe which is located in his bedroom wall. He says it wakes him up constantly. I take that last statement with a grain of salt since I also live in a downstair unit and have the same issue in my room but I accept that I chose a downstair unit.

My question is...is this kind of thing an issue for the board? It's just a living noise that cannot be avoided. The upstair unit has two bathrooms on top of each other and the pipe runs straight down between them, through his unit, and into the sewer. Using another bathroom isn't an option. He wants us to pay for a company to come and insulate the pipe. It seems like this was something he should've taken up with the builder during his warranty.

What should say to him?
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
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What should say to him?


Say:
Sir, there is nothing I can do. Insulation will not help. Sorry.
RickW (Illinois)
Posts: 169
Posted:
Let him know it is a fucntion of insulation and also the fact that the sewer pipes are plastic (an assumption I'm making based on construction knowledge). Assure the homeowner that sewer pipes of this type do meet local codes and ordinances.

If possible, explain to him in a gentle yet authoriatative way, that he bought this unit "as is". If he had purchased a single family home with this very same issue, he would have to decide whether to live with the noise or pay the necessary costs to rectify the situation.

You might also want to check your documents to see who is directly responsible for the sewer lines. I'm guessing the issue of noise is not addressed.

I hear the noise in my unit as well, albeit it from bathrooms within my own unit only. It annoys me and given time and money, I will change it, but I would never assume that the association should be responsible for these costs.

The association would open itself up to a major cost if it were to assume it association responsibility to correct this.
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
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You should ask him why he thinks this is your problem. The HOA is responsible for upkeep of common area/property. It is not responsible to correcting every little thing that the owner doesn't like.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
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While I think it is not an HOA issue now - the builder really was responsible for making sure that the waste water pipes area would have some kind of a sound barrier.

The owner could investigate some sound barrier options, at least in the ceiling and wall area directly affected.

I, myself, would find this most disturbing and brings back memories of staying in a cheap motel.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
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IMO, this is not something that would be noticed b/4 buying the unit and the OP should not be chastised because he didn't notice it b/4 buying. I also would not blame the builder; if it isn't a code requirement he didn't do anything wrong either. I've never lived in a condo so I'm not familiar with common elements, limited common elements, etc. A thorough research of the CCRs should indicate who is resp. for maint of the sewer lines although the noise issue may not be addressed. If this is a problem in one unit, it may be (and probably is) a problem in all the units meaning there may be others to complain as time goes by. So, it may be a good idea for the board to decide what their course of action should be on this matter. They should research all angles and make a decision. Perhaps even adopt a resolution so there will be consistency with succeeding boards.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
I live in a multiple unit condo and I too can hear when the people upstairs flush but since the pipes run where the fixtures are, like the bathroom I simply shut the bathroom door and voila I don't hear it anymore. Then again the guy could be an extremely light sleeper.

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KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
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I would find it rather surprising if condo living was vastly different then that of living in an apartment. And my experience there is that downstairs people hear at least some of the upstairs activity.

The last apartment I lived in you could hear the lady upstairs taking a bath. (Or was that the couple taking a bath together?) To be honest, there were times it was very hard to keep my smart a__ mouth shut while talking to the very nice people who would have been mortified if they had known how we could hear the squeaking in their bath tub.

I don't doubt that it might wake a person up. But they really should investigate more fully before buying a condo, house, or other option.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
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Just Google: soundproofing rooms.

Sounds like the homeowner is on his/her own.
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
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Let the buyer beware.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
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My documents for my Florida place have owner responsibility of anything inside of the unit, including all plumbing, sewer lines, electrical, etc. so I would think the condo is similarly worded. The problem is that this person wants someone else to take care of something that is not in her unit but inside of another unit , which then travels along side her inside unit walls. Cheesh! I'd learn to live with it.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
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I'm just trying to figure out how "constantly" someone is really flushing their toilet.

I mean, it's not like it's something that would go on and on and on and on for hours at a time right?

I can understand that if it happens in the middle of the night on a regular basis (like every night around 2:00 a.m.), and that wakes him, then it might get annoying, but it would only be one flush, right? And not a flush marathon? So he should be able to just roll over and drop back off to sleep?

I'd send the resident the name of a good prostrate doctor. You never know. It might help.

KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
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Now lets be clear that the poster is not the complainer. But I could see where the complainer might have reason to be upset.

It is entirely possible that the complainer is awakened (completely or partially) every time the toilet is flushed in the unit above. It is also entirely possible that the person above has a prostate (or other) problem causing the toilet to be flushed three or four times a night. If you woke me three times a night I would soon suffer from it.

Now I still don't think it is the HOA's problem.

But as a Board member I would probably point the gentleman to solutions to the problem. I would at least consider speaking to the upstairs neighbor to see if they can work something out between them. Then again, I believe that a lot of people are incredibly friendly once they know they can help someone.
KrystleS (California)
Posts: 2
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Thank you everyone for your replies.

We've decided to offer to the owner a 3rd party construction company come and hear the noise and determine whether or not it's just a standard downstair unit living noise.

Originally we had the developer come and listen, and they said it was built to code, just cheaply to code. It is what it is. I think getting an unbias opinion is fair.

The upstair neighbors are a family of 3, one of which is my vice-president. They've altered their life as much as possible, staying on their second story most of the time and not really using their living room or kitchen past or before certain hours.

The husband is not sick with a prostate problem haha! Although my upstair neighbors tend to get sick to their stomach somewhat often. Lovely...

He's by far one of our neediest homeowners always complaining about something and then violating a majority of our rules. I'm trying to remain fair and treat each new complaint with a fresh look but it gets tiring.

GlenL (Ohio)
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Posted By KrystleS on 10/12/2009 11:49 AM

He's by far one of our neediest homeowners always complaining about something and then violating a majority of our rules. I'm trying to remain fair and treat each new complaint with a fresh look but it gets tiring.


Krystal that's all you can do and don't feel alone every community has one or three of them.

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