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BonnieE (Illinois)
Posts: 338
Posted:
Hi!

Survey question: is it “appropriate” to reduce assessments?

Situation: We are 110 townhouse-style condos in Illinois near Chicago, ~15 years old. Our 2010 budget was just released and shows (in general #s): a 0.6% decrease on our monthly assessments from 2009. This is based primarily on a reduction in the cost of HOA property insurance from ~$26K to~$15K. It is my understanding that our coverage has not changed (but I have requested information/documentation on this).

Any opinions?

And another question: are there any other HOA properties finding significant decreases in the cost of property insurance going into 2010?

Thanks!
Bonnie
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Bonnie, I would never suggest lowering assessments simply because one expense item was anticipated to be lower for that year.

The only reason I have seen insurance premiums go down for the same coverage is when switching insurance companies because the current carrier was charging too much. For 2010 we have seen rates go up for every HOA we manage. Plus for one townhome association an extra deductable (choice of 2% or 5%) was added for wind and hail damages. This deductable effectively removes half the coverage for replacing their roofs if all are damaged by hail.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Bonnie,

I agree with Roger. IMO, the "savings" can always be used somewhere else. Usually when assessments are decreased one year, the next year or the year after they will have to be increased. This happened in my former assn. The new Pres lowered the assessments (he wanted to make himself look good!) because there was a large amount in the checking account. As a result, over the next two years they used all that money plus half of the reserve money b/4 they realized they needed to raise assessments. Now the assessments are $15/mo more than they were the year he lowered them and the reserve account is almost empty.
BonnieE (Illinois)
Posts: 338
Posted:
Mary and Roger, thanks so much for your replies. You both basically state what I also think.

My concern is the ~40% decrease in the property insurance premium – the “why” question. Am awaiting a call from the agent on this. Do we have a change in coverage, or, are there more insurance companies now available which has resulted in more competition resulting in reduced premiums? I would be particularly interested in hearing from others in IL located near Chicago.

My other concern is with regard to the reserves. Without getting into all of the specifics, I would recommend using this savings from the insurance (assuming coverage is the same) toward the reserve contribution to off-set a special assessment in the future (roofs, siding, gutters coming up in next ~2 – 8 years - based on what I have been told and an outdated Reserve Study – the reserve amount will be insufficient at the current funding level/plan, IMHO).

Thanks,
Bonnie
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Bonnie,

After I hit "send", I thought about your reserve fund. Especially if it is not fully funded, the additional savings should be applied to the reserves. This makes much better sense than lowering the assessments.
RickW (Illinois)
Posts: 169
Posted:
Bonnie,
Our association is in the suburbs of Chicago, 56 unit townhome. We have a slight decrease in insurance costs due to changing the insurance provider. The savings was significantly less than 40%.

I would agree with the others and would opt not to lower the assessments. I certainly would advocate having your reserve study updated. If it is more than 3 years old, many things could have changed. To be on the safe side I would at least keep the assessments the same and add the additional amount into the reserve fund.
Rick
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
Bonnie,

(1) Do your covenants say the board can lower assessments? If so, that is rare, and
(2) get a copy of the coverage you had before and after the price change...compare both policies, and
(3) I will be very interested to hear if any other HOAS had a decrease in assessments.
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
Bonnie,

Your association is fortunate to have someone like yourself looking into things. One thought, who recommended the new insurance company? Or did the old company lower rates (I doubt it)? If the board did not explore both policies and just took the word of the management company, shame on them. Some management companies push business to friends, relatives or whatever..sort of a quid pro quo.
BonnieE (Illinois)
Posts: 338
Posted:
Everyone,

Thank you for your responses. Not lowering the assessments and using the savings from the decreased insurance premium toward the reserve fund (with an “at a minimum” comment that at least a new reserve study should be done in 2010 using the original reserve consultant) will be provided to the BOD for their consideration.

As a side commentary, I do not expect the BOD will consider this as their past actions (over past 4 years) have been to keep assessments as low as possible and not fully fund the reserves. Our 2006 reserve study (IMHO) contains numerous inaccuracies resulting in an inadequate funding plan (for ex., did not include wood trim, shutters, concrete driveway aprons, aluminum siding, fascia & soffit, gutters & downspouts in the projected funding plan nor replacement schedule – we are ~15years old - these are part of the common elements and were included in previous reserve studies which were completed by a different company). And, yes, these comments were provided & it is my understanding the study was accepted without these changes being made.

Ellen – our gov docs do not address lowering assessments (only address increases). Assessments were lowered one other time, shortly following developer turnover. Regarding who recommended the insurance company – we have used the same insurance broker since turnover (~13/14 years ago), who has provided proposals from insurance companies for the BOD to consider (via our MC). It is my understanding the broker recommended the BOD use an affiliated agent/broker in a different office in order to obtain a lower cost premium from an insurance company the primary broker doesn’t represent. This is the first I heard that the broker we have used has an affiliated agent/broker (of course, this could have happened recently).

My interest is now whether anyone else is seeing decreases in property insurance – will start a new thread once I get more info from the insurance agent.

Thank you!
Bonnie
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Bonnie,

According to the proposed budget for 2010, our insurance rates have not increased. Perhaps you've been paying too much in the past! As long as the coverage is the same I certainly wouldn't worry about it. Or, maybe the coverage is the same but the deductible was increased which would lower the premiums. Insurance premiums are different with different ins companies.
BonnieE (Illinois)
Posts: 338
Posted:
Mary,

You make good points.

As I recall, our insurance premiums increased in the early 2000’s to meet state requirements. They are summarized at:

http://barnettlawfirmltd.com/articles/newinsurancerequirements.htm

With the 2005 hurricane season (Katrina), the number of insurers which provided this coverage shrank to two choices, according to our property manager (in retrospect this could have actually meant that our broker carried only 2 insurers – but at any rate, we, the BOD, did not question this) and our rates went up significantly. Since then these 2 insurers have remained our only options, as I recall/understand.

We now evidently have at least another option who is much lower and the BOD has gone with. We also have a new property manager (same MC) – perhaps she was able to find additional options that the previous property manager did not bring forth to the BOD. Perhaps we were paying too much.

I just want to ensure we have coverage that meets the state requirements (I expect it does, but will check), and if the deductible was increased, then I will need to change my condo coverage accordingly. If the premium difference was less, I would be less concerned.

Thanks,
Bonnie
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
While I too would put this unexpected windfall into reserves the idea that an HOA cannot reduce assessments is preposterous. If less money is needed to run the HOA (which is not Bonnie's case since reserves are underfunded) then you assess less. If your documents are anything like ours; you are supposed to take your proposed gross expenditures and divide them by the number of homes to get each homes assessment. If the gross amount needed is less then the assessment is lower. Likewise surpluses at years end, check your documents and state law; often there is a provision that any surplus must be returned to the H/O in the form of reduced assessments until the surplus is used up. I know this was the case with ours until OH changed the law and let us move the surpluses into reserves.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
I think it all depends on the totality of your financial situation. If you have a good reserve and some breathing room for operational expenses already the reduction in dues is in order. Just because insurance will go back up is not reason to not lower the fees this year.

In theory, each year's dues should pay that year's expenses (including wear and tear on items through the reserve fund), and only that year's expenses. Thus in theory the dues should fluctuate with the expenses of the organization. IF you can negotiate a significant savings for one year then that should be passed on to the owners that year.
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
Bonnnie,

Even if your insurance costs go down I doubt most other expenses will. We all know everything goes up and it would be wise to have this small cushion for unexpected raises in services. This would be much better than having a meeting for a special assessment down the road. I lived in a small condo and didn't realize how inadequate their assessments were until I got hit with two special assessments in less than six months. I was forced to move because we didn't have the reserve to cover what were huge costs on a 50 year old building. Live and learn.
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
The thing is that actually some expenses might go down. For instance right now construction costs have gone down significantly from what they were a couple years ago. If you have a solid financial position there has never been a better time to build or remodel.

Our city hall is being built right now and the costs should come in 30% lower then originally expected. This is partly because much effort has been expended to reduce the cost and partly because of much lower construction costs. Also, the interest rates on the bonds have been lower.

If your HOA has the funds and expects to do major work within the next five years I think it is appropriate to consider doing them ahead of schedule (as in now). It won't be the right choice for every situation, but it is the right choice for many (if they can stomach the idea of spending right now).

Now I don't recommend lowering dues at the expense of reserves. And paying less now knowing a huge bill will come later makes no sense. But remember that the dues should be the expenses divided by the number of units. If expenses go down, so should dues.
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
Kirk,

It's a guessing game. Our electic and water rates have gone up, our lawn service has gone up, our management services have gone up. Our utility company had to pay more for fuels, our lawn service had to pay more for gas, etc and our management company had increased costs as well. Our legal expenses have gone way up due to owners not paying their assessments. We are and have been built out for years so we are not concerned with construction costs. It depends on one's particular association but being a little on the conservative side (not politically...LOL) I still advocate having a bit of a cushion and certainly adequate reserves. As I mentioned earlier I moved into a small condo and two weeks later was told I had to pay $600 for insurance increases (due to hurricanses in South Florida) by the end of the month and before the end of next month was told I needed to pay another $700 by the end of next month for plumbing repairs. We had zero in reserve. This was only the beginning since we were looking for roof replacement or repair, etc.

I got on the board and looking at very old records I saw that years ago the condo had $85 in excess of their operating costs and refunded a prorated amount to each of the 11 owners. Had they put that small amount into a reserve (which had to be at least 30 years ago) and put in some amount every year we would have been in a much better position.
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
Kirk,

Didn't Bonnie say they had inadequate reserves?
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Contrary to some people's beliefs, I just think it's not a good idea to lower assessments. In most instances, the next year or the year after that will necessitate an increase. Most members don't like to see any changes in their assessments and many won't remember the decreases but will always remember the increases!
BonnieE (Illinois)
Posts: 338
Posted:
Hello again,

Well, I was finally able to obtain some answers from our (new) insurance broker. According to him, this policy does meet the IL Condo Act insurance requirements and is a better policy than we had previously (guaranteed replacement costs, better D&O, etc.). I have been given to understand that this company has been undercutting the other insurance companies in order to get into the market, but that he is starting to see the renewal premiums increase and expects next year’s renewal will be ~15-20% higher.

Ellen & Kirk – yes, I did state that our reserves are underfunded due to problems with the last reserve study resulting in an inadequate funding plan, IMO. I plan to recommend that the BOD obtain a new reserve study in 2010, using our prior firm.

Mary – I completely agree with you. We should not be doing a decrease in assessments and instead have increased the reserve contribution, even if minimally, plus included the line item for a new reserve study. This could be just a few percent increase in assessments, but this amount of increase has been typical every year to keep up with the cost of living increases (contracts, etc.).

Thanks to all – your comments have been most helpful.

Bonnie
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
I didn't say it was a good idea to lower the assessments, just that it wasn't against any rule or law. We had this exact situation after changing MC's and most of our vendors but instead of lowering assessments we increased our monthly contribution to reserves.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
BonnieE (Illinois)
Posts: 338
Posted:
Good move, Glen!
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Bonnie,

Great news! Looks like your BOD has seen the light. If your ins premiums do increase 15-20% next year you may be able to just lower the reserve funding instead of increasing assessments, or at least not have to increase them as much. This just reinforces my feelings that it usually does not make sense to lower assessments. Kudos to you for doing a little research, asking questions and keeping at the BOD until they came to their senses.
BonnieE (Illinois)
Posts: 338
Posted:
Thanks, Mary!

I haven’t yet sent anything to the Board, so, they have not “seen the light”, and not yet “come to their senses”. Too funny….if you only knew my Board….

But I will let you all know once I receive a response.
-Bonnie

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