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JohnR20 (Texas)
Posts: 5
Posted:
I live in a small 15 house subdivision in Texas. I have been asked to take over the Presidency of the Association, but am reluctant to do so until I know the laws in Texas.

Can anyone give me advise on where to start?

How is an HOA official?
What is required other than a covenant, etc.

would appreciate any help ont he topic.
GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
Posted:
John:

The HOA becomes official upon the recordation of the declarations in the county.

My book explains all of this, you may purchase it from the publisher at

PublishAmerica.com/book/4573 it is called "A Guide to Community Living"
JohnR20 (Texas)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Thank you for the start.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
For what it's worth, I have purchased Gloria's book and it has been very helpful to my entire board.
TracieS (Colorado)
Posts: 460
Posted:
Hi John,

I'd say just start reading through the archives to familiarize yourself with the kind of issues most properties seem to have. Documents, members, voting, covenent enforcement...

Being on the BOD has a HUGE learning curve, so just start small, taking baby steps, and come post here if you wonder about pretty much anything. There are no stupid questions...just the ones you either don't ask or the ones you assume you know the answer to.

Good luck!
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
John - go thru the minutes of the meetings for the last 2 years. Be sure you have the documents (CCRs, bylaws, rules and regulations, etc) AND there must be some old board members you can talk to.

(Were you elected??)
RickW (Illinois)
Posts: 169
Posted:
Hi John,

First heed what Susan above has posted. Second, check out the Library section of this website. There is a link to CAN (Community Associations Network. They have lots of information posted as well as state specific information. Here is a link to that website, under the State of Texas http://www.communityassociations.net/texas_main.html

Good luck and keep us posted!
JohnR20 (Texas)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Susan, thank you.

This is why I am calling this from ground zero. Totally disfunctional HOA. There are no minutes, no meeting, no nothing. I have lived here 8 years and just got a copy of the covenants last year.

I want to start by making sure that the HOA is legit and properly filed.

With 13 homes, the basic function is for common area upkeep, street lights and raod care as the City/county will not provide upkeep. it is a gated one street upper middle class neighborhood.

The original President moved 3 years ago. The lady that took the job, wants out.

1/3 of the residents are no longer paying dues. This will get ugly. That is why I want to check out the foundation first.

No I have not been elected, but if I run, it will be unapposed. I know I will have to drop a lien on at least one homeowner to get their attension. Per the covenants, each lot is a member of the board and has one vote. The job will be to wake them all up and become functional again.

The covenants will need to be modified as most of the homes violate the covenants created back in 1995.

Sound like fun?
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
You have lived there for 8 years and have only gotten a copy of the covenants last year?

John, with all due respect, it seems as though you have been as much a part of the problem as the rest of the owners.

You've lived there for 8 years, have known there was an association and that it had certain functions, responsibilities and covenants, and only last year woke up enough to obtain a copy of the covenants?

I'm not trying to be harsh, but that's a little surprising.

What was the catalyst? What woke you out of your 7-year-apathy?

Was the association under developer control that entire time? When was the turnover to the residents?

Why did no one step forward to help the second president for the last 3 years?

I will give you kudos for realizing that something needs to be done and being pro-active enough (now) to step up to the plate and be the one to help fix it.

And I will most definitely cheer you along and help with whatever advice I can impart, even though some of the more detailed, in the weeds kind of stuff will vary.

Best of luck to you!

And strap on your seat belt, it's going to be a bumpy ride!
JohnR20 (Texas)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Thanks for the constructive criticism.

No it was not still under development control, and the covenants were not distributed ans part of the original closing.

In 55 years, living in 5 differnt states ans well as living overseas, this is the first time I have lived in a subdivision with a HOA.

The only thing communicated at closing was that there was a annual dues, which I paid on time, and things went smoothly.

Things are lumpy now and nobody in the neighborhood wants to step up.

The current predident keeps sending out letters asking for volunteers to take it over. I think we need to make it more official.

Trying to understand how to do it.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
John,

In reading your messages, one thing you said struck me as being odd. You stated every property owner is a member of the BOD. Did you mean to say they are all members of the assn?

If you are seriously considering a run for a board position, I would suggest you familiarize yourself with your gov docs. Read them thoroughly, take notes if necessary. Know and understand what the duties and resp. of a board member are. Next, check out state laws for HOAs, including the state nonprofit corp act if your HOA is a nonprofit (most are). The board must also abide by the state laws. All this will give you a head start should you be elected.
FrankN (Texas)
Posts: 15
Posted:
John – just jump in there and get your feet wet. Identify the problems that your HOA is facing and prioritize them so do don’t make the mistake of trying to do everything at once. I would advise to hire an attorney to check to be sure your HOA is properly organized and properly registered with the Texas Secretary of State and with your County.

If you want to see the statutes go to:
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/
Property Code
Chapters 201 thru 209
I won’t get too involved in the nuances of the law, that’s what attorneys are for. Since I’m also in Texas let me know if I can be of any help.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Okay, John, I think I hear what you are saying. You didn't know what you didn't know.

So in the 5 years you were not aware of how an HOA works, except for the part about paying assessments, you are saying that you were also unaware that there were covenants attacked to your land?

So in that 5-year period, nobody knew there were things they could not do?

You have a big job ahead of you and I salute you for wanting to step forward the correct way to move to action.

As mentioned up-thread, probably the single most important step you can take is to now familiarize yourself with the covenants and any other governing documents.

It is a rough but I feel very rewarding job to take on!

Best of luck to you!
JohnR20 (Texas)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Mary, Frank, Michele,

Thank you for the encouragement.

Answers. I read the covenants thoroughly yesterday. They were writen and filed by the original developer.

And yes, each lot (13) has one vote. Eanch home owner is a member of the board. Requires 75% of the board members to change the covenants and restrictions. Only takes 2 members minimum to do most other things.

As far as an attorney. The dues are only 600.00 per year. Thats only 7800.00 to maintain the subdivision. I don't know about your attorneys, but the left over isnt going to allow much legal consultation.

The covenants and restriction document is the only legal document I have found so far on the topic. It was written in 1995, never modified.

It says all homes must be 90% masonary. Multiple homes are stucco. Is that considered masonary? It specifies roofing materials. My house was built in 1996 and has lifetime concrete shingles. Not approved. I moved in in 2001, 3rd owner, no issues.

The list can go on and on.

My next step is to talk to the present HOA President to find out what else she knows, then to start digging into requirements and filed documents.

Once again, Thank you.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Couple of things, when the developer was in control, he most likely had the power to "approve" or "waive" the masonry/non-masonry requirements, so I wouldn't go down that road.

But there is a difference between being a member of the BOARD and a member of the ASSOCIATION.

Are you sure you are reading that correctly?

TracieS (Colorado)
Posts: 460
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MicheleD on 10/08/2009 6:45 AM
You have lived there for 8 years and have only gotten a copy of the covenants last year?

What was the catalyst? What woke you out of your 7-year-apathy?

You know, I think this is a really interesting question. Would anyone be interested in fleshing this out (with our own responses) in a new post? I'm sure we all have our unique reasons for getting involved, and perhaps it can wind up as a "sticky" post that would always appear at the top for new people... Maybe with updates about how it's going. It's NOT what I thought it would be when I got involved.
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
One thing to keep in mind in Texas is the statute of limitations. As for you roof, it may or may not have been approved. But it is too late either way. There is a four year statute on violations. So if they have been in place four years then there is nothing to be done.

Since stucco is mostly cement I am sure it counted as masonry.

One of the big things you should do if you take over is to file liens against any non-paying members. This will protect the others from the lost expense eventually. I won't go into the debate now as for if and when you should file to foreclose on a non-paying member. But at least a lien will provide for recovery of the moeny when the house sells.
BethS2 (Texas)
Posts: 19
Posted:
JohnR,

I am in the same situation, except mine is a condo Assoc. and 10 units but only 6 owners.

Can people like us give it our best shot but resign at any time if it's not working or we feel we are not able to continue?

My worst fear is to get stuck in an impossible situation AND be legally liable!
Apart from insurance coverage, what are the safe guards for people serving in such capacities?
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Beth,

The liability issues are the same no matter the size of your assn or how many members are serving on the board. Although one person could probably handle all the functions of running your assn quite well, it really would be better to have 3 board members.

I suggest you look at TX HOA statutes to find out what happens if no one can be found to run for a board position. Look at the nonprofit corp laws. In AZ the nonprofit corp statutes state that the incumbent stays in office until a replacement can be found.
BethS2 (Texas)
Posts: 19
Posted:
Mary,
Thanks for your response. I will be looking up both laws today but my first question is:

If our bylaws outline a 3 member board, isn't it illegal to run the group with a one member board?

This is the foundation question I must answer first. If you know, please tell Otherwise I'll be looking for that in the state/county laws.
BethS2 (Texas)
Posts: 19
Posted:
This is the wording I found in the Texas non profit code:

....a director shall hold office until the next annual election of directors and until his successor shall have been elected, appointed, or designated and qualified.

I guess that means a director is there until relieved by another volunteer? Yikes! That's like a prison sentence. However, it also seems directors have the power to "appoint" other directors. That would be the way to exit I guess?

It says:

....If the method of election, designation, or appointment is not provided in the articles of incorporation or by-laws, the directors, other than the initial directors, shall be elected by the board of directors.

It's like a big circular dance
TracieS (Colorado)
Posts: 460
Posted:
I would hesitate to draw the conclusion that a Board Member can appoint another Board Member. A Board can CERTAINLY fill a vacant seat by appointing someone (who agrees to be appointed), but it's probably not something that would happen very often.

How about more info...??

Why don't you have a three person board right now, if that's what is required by your documents?

I know one of your concerns is insurance and liability...do you have a copy of your association's Business Owners policy (usually the policy on association structions/land/assets) AND a copy of your association's Directory/Officer Liability Policy?

I can tell you one thing I've learned on this forum... The courts seem to take a pretty liberal stand on association board members trying to do the right thing...something about a reasonable something or other. If you're doing what you think is best for the association (in line with state law and your documents) there's USUALLY not much a litigious owner could sue YOU for. Anyone can certainly sue the association, but they would have a pretty tough fight for suing YOU as a person doing something they think is wrong as it relates to operating the association.

I've had an extensive discussion with my association's insurance agent about any personal liability I may have in carrying out the association business.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Beth,

The fact that your bylaws call for a 3-member board but you have only one doesn't mean your actions are illegal. If you cannot get members to run for office it's through no fault of your own that your board is short members. I'm sure none of the assn members are going to complain. But, if someone does all you have to do is tell them to run for a spot on the board!!

Have you thoroughly checked your bylaws to find out if the board can make appointments to fill vacancies on the board? This is a very common requirement for most assns. Also check out the state nonprofit corp act; it it's not addressed in your bylaws it most likely is in the state statutes. Oftentimes members will be hesitant to run for a board position but will be receptive to accepting an appointment. I guess some people just don't like the possibility of losing!
BethS2 (Texas)
Posts: 19
Posted:
Thanks Mary,

It is the STATE law (for non profit corps) that calls for a MINIMUM of 3 board members. As of now, we have none. The by laws also call for 3 board members.

I have been asked to be President - a position that is supposed to be appointed by the board according to our by laws.

I guess I can just declare myself a board member if elected as President? or even if not elected maybe?

Once a board member, then yes, I can appoint the two other members - or so it seems from my reading of the Texas State law (which, luckily, agrees with the HOA by laws)

We have NO board of directors right now. Does that not qualify as illegal if the State requires 3? Does that make the non profit corp defunct?

MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BethS2 on 11/10/2009 5:18 PM
Thanks Mary,

It is the STATE law (for non profit corps) that calls for a MINIMUM of 3 board members. As of now, we have none. The by laws also call for 3 board members.

I have been asked to be President - a position that is supposed to be appointed by the board according to our by laws.

I guess I can just declare myself a board member if elected as President? or even if not elected maybe?

Once a board member, then yes, I can appoint the two other members - or so it seems from my reading of the Texas State law (which, luckily, agrees with the HOA by laws)

We have NO board of directors right now. Does that not qualify as illegal if the State requires 3? Does that make the non profit corp defunct?


No, actually you need to do it the other way around. If your docs say that the PRESIDENT (which is an OFFICER position) is to be selected by the BOARD, then when you run for election, what you run for is for Board Member only.

Then, if you win (which it sounds like you will) then the BOARD (you) will appoint/select/elect yourself as President.

In other words, people are confusing officer titles with board member (director) positions.

No, not having board members will not make the corp defunct. But someone has to file the annual reports and do the administrative work (which is what the Board of Directors does).

So it sounds like your membership needs to ELECT DIRECTORS for the board.

Then, once the directors are elected (by the membership), they become the Board of Directors (or "members" of the board).

Once on the board, then those individuals elect from among their board people to fill the officer titles (President, Vice President, Sec, Treasurer).

In your case, if you are the only person running for the board, you will most likely automatically be president once the election is over.

Then you can appoint additional board members, and sort out who gets to be VP, Sec or Treasurer from there.

BethS2 (Texas)
Posts: 19
Posted:
Michele,

Yes, I agree with you BUT

1. The members do not understand any of this and it would take them days (as it has me) to research and understand. Most (maybe all) would not even bother.

2. They will not automatically take my word for it before the vote takes place. They WILL vote for President and they WILL continue on as in the past with NO Board.

3. My realistic options are to be elected as President or not 'run' at all.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Beth,

If there is a Pres, then there is a BOD.

I don't know what's so hard for the members to understand. The assn should have a 3-member board which means that at least 3 members from among them should be willing to run for a position on the board. If they are really content with only one member being resp. for making all the decisions for the HOA, then, IMO, there's not much common sense in the whole lot. I'm certainly not saying you would ever do anything illegal that would be of benefit to you, but having only one member in charge of everything could really lead to a lot of mischief.

If you feel comfortable being a BOD of one, then go ahead and run. Otherwise don't put your name on the ballot and see what happens. If the assn ends up w/o a board at all then all the members become personally liable for everything -- paying the bills, personal liability if an injury were to occur on common areas, etc. The members of your assn have to realize that they also have some responsibilities, one being to volunteer their time to keep the assn running. On the other hand, perhaps someone should research dissolving the assn. I don't know what type amenities, if any, you have nor the extent of your common areas; but it may be worth the effort to research this. If it's an impossibility that would be more ammunition to convince your members that it's time for them to step up to the plate and do their part. One person cannot be expected to do it all!
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BethS2 on 11/10/2009 8:28 PM
Michele,

Yes, I agree with you BUT

1. The members do not understand any of this and it would take them days (as it has me) to research and understand. Most (maybe all) would not even bother.

2. They will not automatically take my word for it before the vote takes place. They WILL vote for President and they WILL continue on as in the past with NO Board.

3. My realistic options are to be elected as President or not 'run' at all.

Frankly, and with all due respect, those are pretty crummy reasons to run an illegal (or at least improper) election.

It would take no time at all to "educate" them. It only takes ONE tiny paragraph on the ballot form.

It's not that hard of a concept to understand or explain.

You cannot run for "president," since your governing documents do not allow for the membership to "elect" the President.

The membership can only elect directors.

Why is that hard for them to understand?

Their own documents state it.

Officers are positions that directors hold once they get elected to the board.

(Some associations do hold membership-wide officer elections, but you have already told us yours does not. Many, if not the overwhelming majority, in my area do not allow for the membership to elect officers, either.)

BethS2 (Texas)
Posts: 19
Posted:
lol I appreciate both your advice and understand your incredulity! I am stunned myself and hence very unsure how to proceed. But the facts are:

1. There IS NO BOARD - and hasn't been since (I think) 1979
2. One President has been running the show
3. There is NO BALLOT
4. Most owners do not have the governing docs and don't care to read copies I bring or hear about it from me (since I am not President)
5. As of now, there are even no official volunteers for President! We are having a meeting to vote (improperly) for an office that no one wants

Mary.......I like your idea of researching dissolution. I will do that and maybe find another way to run the place if the membership persists in ignoring the facts/laws.

Also, thought you might be interested to hear: Texas passed amendments to the Non Profit Corp laws and it now clearly states that "a board member may resign at any time" This obviously has been a sore point with many board members and I guess they successfully lobbied here in Texas!

Thank you both again for your points and advice. I'm sorry to frustrate you. I will take your advice outlined here and let you know the results from the meeting
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MicheleD on 10/08/2009 6:45 AM
You have lived there for 8 years and have only gotten a copy of the covenants last year?

John, with all due respect, it seems as though you have been as much a part of the problem as the rest of the owners.

You've lived there for 8 years, have known there was an association and that it had certain functions, responsibilities and covenants, and only last year woke up enough to obtain a copy of the covenants?

I'm not trying to be harsh, but that's a little surprising.

What was the catalyst? What woke you out of your 7-year-apathy?

Was the association under developer control that entire time? When was the turnover to the residents?

Why did no one step forward to help the second president for the last 3 years?

I will give you kudos for realizing that something needs to be done and being pro-active enough (now) to step up to the plate and be the one to help fix it.

And I will most definitely cheer you along and help with whatever advice I can impart, even though some of the more detailed, in the weeds kind of stuff will vary.

Best of luck to you!

And strap on your seat belt, it's going to be a bumpy ride!

Hey, Michelle, mind if I use some of your verbige in our next newsletter? I'm currently tabulating completed surveys from our homeowners (our best response rate in 4 years) and one homeowner wrote a letter. The letter had a number of good suggestions, but he/she led off with "I've lived here 20 years and have watched the community become more run down, blah, blah, blah" and just recently thought that letter could be the genesis of an article in our spring newsletter about owner apathy...

As for John, you may want to check out the Community Association Institute (CAI) website, which has a number of books on effective running of a HOA. And keep reading this website - I discovered it about two years ago and have found the subjects and posters extremely helpful.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Shelia I have another idea for your newsletter. One of the best received articles that I wrote was titled "Where Does My Money Go?" I broke down it down into General Maintenance, Administration, Capital Reserves, General Expenses, Ongoing Maintenance Items and Utilities. I explained just what was in each category and how their monthly assessments were spent.

I can't tell you the number of homeowners that commented on the article. Because so much of the stuff that it takes to run an HOA happens behind the scenes or while H/O's are at work they didn't realize just what it takes to keep the lights on and the trash picked up, even though they got the yearly budget breakdown. They knew they had to write the check each month but not what it bought them.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
GlenL, that IS a good idea - I'll try to put that together for our annual report issue next year - thanks!

I may even add a few things homeowners can do to help the association control costs, such as: we budget $500 a year for the newsletter. Much of this goes towards printing and mailing copies - we could cut this amount if people would just sign up for receiving issues via email.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MichaelK11 (Texas)
Posts: 432
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Posted By JohnR20 on 10/08/2009 1:20 PM
The dues are only 600.00 per year. Thats only 7800.00 to maintain the subdivision.

My next step is to talk to the present HOA President to find out what else she knows, then to start digging into requirements and filed documents.
John,

How has this progressed?

How many of your Association's Members (Homeowners) want the HOA? What does your HOA do -- what common properties/facilities does it offer? On what is the budget spent?

Our HOA has only several large, grassy Common Areas that need to be watered and mowed. (Some HOAs have clubhouses, ponds, swimming pools, etc.) The main purpose of our HOA is to maintain these Common Areas and to maintain the architectural standards of the Deed Restrictions in order to keep up property values. Our dues are $260 per year for 280 homes. (They were $260 and less for the past few years, until our current Board got into a lawsuit and is now raising them retroactively and as rapidly as possible without Member input, but that's another story.)

Do your Members think enforcing some of your Covenants would help maintain property values?

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