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ReneeD (Illinois)
Posts: 201
Posted:
Are proxy forms not signed, or dated, by the homeowner considered valid? Or, can the BOD, CAM, or tellers make an independent decision to accept that form just because the name written on the form matched the address on the CAM's roster?

I would like to challenge votes tallied and cannot find any reference in our governing documents on this. Has anyone else encountered this problem; if so, what can be done about this now since we just held our Annual Election the other day and, just squeaked by(quorum)? Thanks! -Renee
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
OF COURSE any proxy form would need to be signed by the homeowner!

How is it that you know the proxy forms were not signed by the homeowner/

RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
I would strongly suggest that the proxy list the correct procedure for submission. That procedure would also include the handling and processing the proxy. If you don't want to put this on individual proxy, include all instructions separately, and post as well.

Off hand I would say it is a bad policy to let folks make up rules after the fact.
ReneeD (Illinois)
Posts: 201
Posted:
Susan, I was able to get copies of all the proxy/ballots submitted for this election from the attorney the other day. To me, it only makes sense to require signatures but, I get this funny feeling they will come up with some quirky reason it isn't needed!

ReneeD (Illinois)
Posts: 201
Posted:
Robert, I couldn't agree more. If it isn't the absence of signatures, then it is an incomplete form(other information omitted) and/or each year a Board Member (this year we had an attorney present) will come up with another "Bend the Rule Story" e.g., candidate profiles aren't required for anyone running for the board or, not having to show up for the Annual Election or, couple year's back they said it was okay to have someone else sign the form instead of 'owner of record'. When I challenged them on that and referred them to our governing docs on that, those proxies were voided. Every year it is different--this year was no different.
CharlesW1 (Georgia)
Posts: 826
Posted:

ReneeD ,

Unfortunately, not (not that I’m aware of anyway)! Due to the fact, it really wouldn’t be any different than you submitting several proxies (not signed and/or dated)yourself, that you aren’t the deeded property holder. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Chuck W.

Charles E. Wafer Jr.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Charles,
You will have to elaborate on your comments Charley.

If your association has a limited # of votes, and nearly all do, how can you account or validate more than that #. Most if not all associations allow one vote per unit. That vote is normally counted against the unit number. 100 votes = 100 units. All proxies should be signed by the unit owners. That is what a proxy is. You give your vote to someone else or you use the proxy to vote your vote. IMHO.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Unless the proxies in dispute affect the outcome of the election, it's a moot point.
Work with the election committee to get procedures in writing.

TammyS2 (Indiana)
Posts: 21
Posted:
If the procedures for proxys are not in your association governing documents, then you have to resort to (if your association is a non-profit corp.) the state laws govening non-profits. That's is how it is with anything that is not outlined in your bylaws, your look to the next governing body.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Tammy,

I would be very surprised to learn that whether or not proxy forms must be signed is outlined in the bylaws or even state law. This is a matter of common sense, IMO. If the form isn't signed by the proxy giver how would anyone know who it's from, much less whether or not it is valid?
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Tammy,

Sorry, I spoke too soon! My bylaws do not state a proxy must be signed by the AZ nonprofit corp act does say ". . .a member may appoint a proxy by signing an appointment form. . .". This should be construed to mean the proxy must be signed.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Tammy,

The board should always look to HOA and nonprofit corp state laws, even for issues that ARE covered in their gov. docs. In most instances state law will over ride what is written in the assn's gov. docs. It all depends upon how the state law is written. If it says, "unless otherwise stated in the assn's documents" that means the assn docs prevail, but if the state laws says, "notwithstanding anything in the assn's documents" that means state law prevails.
DianeW5 (Georgia)
Posts: 1
Posted:
At our annual meeting the members' proxies were turned in to the secretary who recorded who had received which member's proxies. During the election of officers, the President voted his 74 proxies and his candidates won every position. Do I as a member of the HOA have the right to see the list of members that sent him their proxies? I have asked to see the list and the Board has refused to make it public. How can we get this list?
It seems that it should be available, since all the Board knew how all our proxies were voted.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Diane,
No one should know who voted for who, board member or not. As long
as the member holding the vote is giving a procedure which insure
secrecy, who voted for who is not germane. Regards assignment of
proxies, the president has no reason or should not reveal how many proxies he or any one else has, as long as the totaled number of votes are verified by the the election panel. You or anyone has no reason to know who voted for who.
Look up proper election procedure on google or in library. The busines of using proxies that are unassigned insures confusion and suspecion in HOA elections.
So I conclude in your case, the whole election should be tossed out, if, what you say is correct.
Keep in mind the number of proxies should not include who these voters are.
It is hard to tell from what you say if the election is valid. IMHO
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Diane,

Do you have a reason to believe the Pres. 74 proxies were not valid? In many states, and also as stated in may bylaws, members have a right to inspect and/or copy assn records that are not confidential. Since you only want to see a list of the names of the members who gave the Pres their proxy, I don't know that the board should deny this request. I don't know what harm it would do, unless they know enough of the proxies were invalid. Oftentimes members get upset because a member or board member will collect enough proxies to sway an election. They seem to forget that any member can collect proxies, not just a board member. If your board is stating proxies can only be given to a board member (perhaps the Pres) I believe this practice would be overturned in a court case. Of course is it worth the time, effort and cost to sue the board?

Bottom line: thorough check your bylaws for a provision pertaining to records and if members have a right to inspect and copy assn records. Also check your HOA state laws, including the state nonprofit corp laws for a provision pertaining to this. If state law or your assn bylaws give the members this right then send a letter to the board, outlining the pertinent bylaw article and/or state law and make your request. If they still deny you then they would be in violation of either assm or state law.
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
Unless there was a huge proxy push or the holder of 74 proxies held some contentious position it would be of no surprise that their choice of candidates would win the election.

I guess the first question I have is do you have reason to believe the president held invalid proxies? If you don't like the way things went, then you should make the effort to collect proxies yourself next year.

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