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RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
Is there any rule or law that states a committee member, not the chairperson, must be approved by the board of directors. Is there any law or regulation that states that a homeowner cannot put up a HOA website when the Board has failed to act. Our board just put hired a new property management company and the board, because they are incompetent, are allowing the PM to control all aspects of the association.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Members do not have the right to appoint themselves to committees--that right is reserved to the board. However, the board may appoint a committee chair and then assign to the chair the authority to staff the committee. On rare occasions, governing documents provide for election of architectural committee members by the membership. Unless the governing documents provide otherwise, committees may consist of persons who are not members of the association. Except for "Executive Committees," committees created by the board are advisory in nature and do not have any powers. Committees created by the governing documents may have independent powers assigned to the committee by the CC&Rs or bylaws. The most common example is the Architectural Committee. Unless the governing documents provide otherwise, committees and committee members serve at the pleasure of the board. As such, boards can remove committee members without prior notice and without cause. Entire committees may also be dissolved or decommissioned at any time with or without prior notice or cause. Committees cease to exist automatically whenever a new board is elected.

As long as you make it clear that the website not the official website of the HOA and that you are not speaking for the HOA you are probably OK. That doesn't mean you can use it to libel or defame the BOD or that they will not fight you over it.

Question: Are they incompetent because they are following the PM's (a professional) recommendations or are they incompetent because they're not doing things your way?

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
Thanks Glen..

I understand that Committees are formed by the BOD and that the Chairperson is appointed and approved by the Board. My question was, does the volunteers of say an Events committee have to approved ny the board in order to volunteer their time?

Second, I built the site because the old PM company said it wasn't needed. It is mirrored after a number of other sites, so I did do my homework and at a cost of $800 less per year than the one the board is currently looking at.

Question: Are they incompetent because they are following the PM's (a professional) recommendations or are they incompetent because they're not doing things your way?

BOD should not have to rely solely on a PM for advise or guidance. If you don't know what you are doing, then either get some training or step down.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
Let me add one thing. It was only after the new PM came in last week that they "new rules" were implemented.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Richard,

After reading your post, the first thing I think is that you MUST work within the CC&Rs of your association. Committees and websites go thru the process according to your rules and documents. You cannot set up a web-site just because you don't agree with what is sanctioned by your Board. All committees are part of the Board function and is responsible to answer to the Board. If helpers for events are needed, most will be just that, helpers responsible to the committee, thus responsible to the Board.

We read this all of the time--that a new P.M comes in and changes things. That person should be under the direction of the Board. If they are not, then get the Board straightened out but not by going off on your own as a rebel.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Richard, I don't know how to make (Members do not have the right to appoint themselves to committees--that right is reserved to the board. However, the board may appoint a committee chair and then assign to the chair the authority to staff the committee.) any clearer. Unless the committee charter gives the chairperson the power to appoint / accept members then they must be approved by the BOD.

What new rules? If the BOD has imposed rules that the H/O do not want, in CA they have the power to over turn them.


Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
It's amazing that nothing changes on these posts. You are all in bed together and watching each others back. I am a homeowner looking to get on a board to make changes, to become a leader and not a wimp. Too many BOD let a PM run their association. The PM have no stake, no ownership, no vote and yet they think they are gods hiding behind so called laws. As I private citzenship, I have every right to put up a website and if they don't like it tough. There is no transparency in this community, but to you guys that's just fine and dandy. You would rather no one question what you do or your motives. Why should we blame our politicans for things that go on, you take a page from them or vice versa.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Richard,

I feel bad that you think that we guys are in bed together(YUK!) You can have a website as much as you want. But you are on your own with that and subject to liability if you post statements that the Board or any member feels that you are doing harm or telling non truths about association business. There are ramifiations if you act without using common sense and facts.

I can feel your anger but don't target these posters because they tell you how to not go off on a fit against your Board and P.M. You must work within what you have in the form of your own documents and State laws. You have to get neighbors involved because this is not a one man fix but will have to come from all of your membership thru amendments of your bylaws and CC&Rs, perhaps recalls. election changes and different hiring practices.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
You got me all wrong. The last thing I would do is throw a fit. No, the first thing I did was read all the leagl docs pretaining to our community, which I doubt our current board has done. Next, was to get some answers on this site, which has been few and far between. Then, I have gotten two other members to run for the board that are subject experts in specific areas that would be beneficial to our community. No this is a person on a mission and focused. PM's can play a vital role in maintaining a community, but utlimately it must be the homeowmer/directors thatmake the decisions.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Richard, frankly you sound like a petulant child stamping his feet because no one will do things his way. While I don't speak for everyone here, I can't think of one poster in favor of a bad BOD. But bad is a subjective term and you have made no case that the BOD is bad. Let me guess after calling them names and accusing them of malfeasance they won't let you on a committee; I probably wouldn't put you on one either.

CA has some of the strictest HOA laws in the country and they are designed not to protect the BOD but the homeowners. While all power of the Association flows through the BOD; the ultimate power is in the hands of individual homeowners just like you, who elect the BOD. The Board is the principal policy making body, setting policies, standards and procedures. The Board may delegate its authority, not its responsibility, to the managing agent, to implement its decisions.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RichardP13 on 10/04/2009 11:52 AM
You got me all wrong. The last thing I would do is throw a fit. No, the first thing I did was read all the leagl docs pretaining to our community, which I doubt our current board has done. Next, was to get some answers on this site, which has been few and far between. Then, I have gotten two other members to run for the board that are subject experts in specific areas that would be beneficial to our community. No this is a person on a mission and focused. PM's can play a vital role in maintaining a community, but utlimately it must be the homeowmer/directors thatmake the decisions.

Richard,

I agree 100% with what you are trying to do. Members are constantly kept in the dark and I think your website is a good way to keep all informed. Good luck in forming a new board.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
Thanks for the support Ellen.

Glen..If what you say is true that the utlimate power resides in the hands of the homeowners and at present they are kept in the dark, is a person that want to change things and have a community get more involved, a spoiled child.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Dear Soiked Child, Oh, I mean, RichardP:

Glen is giving you sound advice and you are, in fact, stomping your feet and throwing a fit, just as you claim you are not.

You are more than free to set up a website, but you better make dang sure you:

1) Make it plain on the website that it is NOT in any way, shape or form the "OFFICIAL" website of the Association

2) Any documents you post, you better make dang sure you have the proper rights to post/publish those documents.

3) Any derogatory comments directed at board members or criticism of their actions better be very clear, defensible and accurate.

And that's just a start.

I think you better read and study the court case brought by a "concerned resident" such as yourself who simply wanted to hold her board accountable and make sure it was acting for the best interest of the community.

She got a little petulant and ranting at times and I can assure you, it cost her big time.

Pay particular attention to the portion of the order where the judge finds for the Defendants in their counter-claim against the plaintiff. The plaintiff made almost all the comments about the board on her website, as well as on other websites and online forums.

Of course the Plaintiff who posted the comments (and the judgment provides some examples of what those were), claimed First Amendment protection and that they were her "opinion." Unfortunately for her there are limitations to both, as the judge cited. She lost.

Please read the below and then get back to us, 'kay?

DISTRICT COURT, TELLER COUNTY, COLORADO

Court address:
P.O. Box 997
101 West Bennett Ave.
Cripple Creek, CO 80813
(719) 689-0450

JANICE J. JACKSON, Plaintiff,
vs.
B LAZY M RANCH OWNERS ASSOCIATION,
Defendant.

Court Use Only
Case Number
06CV23
Division 11

ORDER FROM TRIAL

This matter is before the Court for ruling following several days of testimony. Being fully advised, the Court now Orders as follows:

1. Plaintiff's claim
The Plaintiff has sought declaratory judgment concerning two issues: first, whether the 1977 covenants permitted the special assessments levied at the September 2005 annual meeting; and second, whether the several amendments to those covenants were completed in compliance with the 1977 covenants. The Court answers both of those questions in the affirmative. The Court would further note that it has previously ruled that the 1977 covenants did permit the assessments for dam repair and obtaining water rights, and that ruling is again affirmed. The remaining issue concerns the assessment to "obtain closure" on Ms. Jackson's numerous complaints.

The 1977 covenants are broad in their scope. Their stated purpose is "to maintain the beauty, tranquility, maximum carrying capacity, and natural environment of a working ranch for the owners of the Ranch and their successors in interest. Owners of property in the Ranch shall have the right of use and quiet enjoyment of their property..." To carry out those purposes, the covenants call for the creation of the Ranch Owners Association (ROA). The ROA shall "assume control of and responsibility for matters of common interest." Among the specified purposes are the enforcement of protective covenants and maintenance of property owners' rights. The covenants further provide for the payment of periodic dues and/or fees.

The Plaintiff argues that these provisions do not permit the enactment of a special assessment to bring closure on the issues raised by the Plaintiff over a period of several years. The Court disagrees. In order to carry out its responsibilities, the ROA must have some funding mechanism. In this case, closure of the Plaintiff's issue fit within the scope of the purposes listed in the above paragraph. The Plaintiff's various complaints dealt with issues of common interest (obtaining water rights, road maintenance, board functioning, access to records, among others), and her nearly constant barrage of e-mails and internet posting which threatened litigation against all owners clearly implicate the right of the owners to the quiet enjoyment of their property.

The second issue raised by the Plaintiff concerns the manner in which the covenants can be amended. In granting partial summary judgment, the Court concluded that at least in connection with the 1987 amendments that the ROA had obtained signed ballots which were certified by ROA officers on the document filed with the clerk and recorded. During the trial, the Defendant has now produced signed ballots for each of the subsequent amendments through 2002 (which were the most recent amendments prior to the 2005 annual meeting). In each case, the recorded covenants list the vote cast by the owner of each tract and include a certification from the officers and/or board members that they "saw and counted all ballots returned". While it is true that the signed ballots themselves were not recorded in the clerk and recorders office, they were maintained by the ROA and were available for inspection. To require the ROA to record those ballots and pay the cost associated therewith seems unreasonably burdensome. There is a readily available means by which any property owners can review those ballots to confirm that they were properly cast. As stated previously by the Court, to require recordation of the ballots would not only elevate form over substance but would act to circumvent the clear intent of the majority of property owners. The Court would further note that in 1987 there were only two negative votes cast. The Court is therefore satisfied that the 1987, 1992, 1997, and 2002 amendments to the covenants were properly enacted.

Based on the foregoing, the Court finds in favor of the Defendant and against the Plaintiff on the Plaintiff's claim for declaratory judgment. Pursuant to the article 15 of the 1977 covenants and C.R.S. 38-33.3-123(1)(c), the Defendant is entitled to recover its attorney fees in defending the Plaintiff's claim.

2. Defendant's counterclaims
The Defendant has asserted two counterclaims; the first alleging libel; and the second, seeking injunctive relief. Those claims will be addressed separately below.

A. Libel

In the amended counterclaim filed on May 21, 2007, the Defendant has alleged in excess of fifty separate instances of libel. While some of the allegations directly refer to the Board of Directors of the Defendant B Lazy M Ranch Owners Association, others refer to individuals acting in their capacity as officers and directors. Since a corporation can only act through its officers and directors, the Court concludes that libel directed toward an officer or director acting in their official capacity is actionable by the corporation itself. The Court wants it to be clear that some statements directed at either past or present board members not related to their duties as board members were not considered by the Court.

The Court first concludes that the Defendant's claim is governed by C.J.I. 4th, 22:4. The Court further finds that the Defendant, although a non-profit corporation, has the legal status as a private person. See Diversified Management v. Denver Post, 653 P.2d 1103 (Colo. 1982). The Court also concludes that the matters raised in the libelous statements are not of public concern. See Quigley v. Rosenthal, 43 F.Supp. 2d 1163 (D.Colo. 1999). To constitute a matter of public concern, the matters raised must have been of public concern prior to the publication of the defamatory statement. No evidence was presented that the conduct of the Defendant was a matter of public concern prior to the Plaintiff's publication of those matters.

The Court next concludes that many, if not most, of the instances identified by the Defendant are libelous per se. That is, the statements are defamatory on their face and clearly reference the Defendant or its officers and directors acting in their official capacity. These statements tend to harm the Defendant's reputation in the community. See C.J.I. 4th, 22:7. In addition, many of the instances allege criminal misconduct, refer to the board members as incompetent in the performance of their duties, and some even include references to psychiatric illnesses. While the Court does not intend to go through each of those instances, some examples are illustrative. The Court believes that all of these publications relied on by the Defendant occurred within 12 months preceding the filing of the original complaint in this case and are therefore within the limitation period pursuant to the earlier Order of this Court. The references will be to the Defendant's exhibit designations.

ex. v: HOA consists of "wannabe dictators"
ex. w: HOA "almost totally corrupt"
ex. y: "dictatorial ravages of their rogue boards of directors", AND allegations of criminal misconduct
ex.cc: "power and money seekers like this California developer"
ex. dd: "Colorado's poster child for corrupt homeowners associations"
ex. ee: "Ranch psychopaths"
ex. ff: psychopaths
ex. jj: obsessive-compulsive disorder
ex. mm,
p 9; "Ranch BoD is getting a little nervous about somebody catching them with their fingers in the cash register?"
p. 32: referring to supporters of the BoD as "sycophants" which is defined by Webster's as being a servile flatterer or a parasite.
p. 37: BoD involved in a "conspiracy to defraud, discrimination, the violation of fiduciary duties"
p. 46: assertions that the BoD attorney as well as a BoD member who happens to be an attorney should be reported to the Colorado Bar for unethical conduct, AND allegations of federal and state law violations which should be reported to appropriate authorities
p. 66: violation of state and federal laws
p. 71: "and the venal HOA beat goes on"
p. 84: "the President of our HOA--appears to be the most inept, incompetent "mouthpiece" that any cabal in existence has probably ever experienced.
p. 91: "all the improper/illegal BLM ROA skeletons-in-the-Ranch-closet"
p. 106: accusations of "rigging the votes"
ex. nn:
May 31, 2005 email asserting "apparent violations of state of Colorado and federal laws (civil and criminal)" by the BoD.
Numerous e-mails asserting civil and criminal violations by BoD, including RICO violations, violations of "constitutional rights", "serious legal violations", etc.
Aug. 10, 2006 email asserting at least one board member may be afflicted with a very serious and destructive-to-others mental/emotional disorder

There is no dispute that the Plaintiff's statements were published (see C.J.I. 4th 22:6).

The Court concludes the statements made by the Plaintiff are false. Testimony presented by the Defendant contradicted these allegations, and no factual evidence was presented by the Plaintiff to support her contention that the Defendant violated state or federal law, that the Defendant committed a civil wrong, or that any officers or directors suffered from a mental illness. Perhaps most interestingly, even though this case was commenced by the Plaintiff, the only assertion of wrong-doing which she raised related to the process of amending the covenants. Despite her many references to wanting to present these matters in court, no claim was made by her for any civil or criminal wrong of any kind.

The Plaintiff does not deny making any of the more than fifty publications identified by the Defendant. Instead, she argues that she is just stating her opinion. While statements of pure opinion may be protected, in this case the Plaintiff asserts factual support for many of her opinions. See Sall v. Barber, 782 P.2d 1216 (Colo. App. 1989) and Burns v. McGraw-Hill, 659 P.2d 1351 Colo. 1983). Therefore, those statements of opinion which imply or state factual support are actionable.

The more difficult question is one of damages. Because of the difficulty in calculating damages in libel claims, in instances of libel per se, damages are presumed. No special damages need be proven. As stated by one well-known author:

Good name in man and woman, dear my lord,
Is the immediate jewel of their souls:
Who steals my purse steals trash; 'tis something, nothing;
'Twas mine, 'tis his, and has been slave to thousands;
But he that filches from me my good name
Robs me of that which not enriches him
And makes me poor indeed.
William Shakespeare, "Othello", Act 3 scene 3

In this case, the Court finds by clear and convincing evidence that the Defendant has proven its counterclaim of libel, and that the conduct of the Plaintiff was both intentional and for the express purpose of causing harm to the Defendant ROA as well as to the individual board members. Accordingly, the Court awards damages to the Defendant and against the Plaintiff in the amount of $10,000.

B. Injunctive Relief

The Defendant also seeks injunctive relief to prohibit the Plaintiff from publishing libelous materials and from contacting the ROA as well as the individual members of the association. The Court recognizes that the issuance of an injunction, particularly when it restricts the free speech rights of a party, is a drastic remedy, and the scope of the injunction must be narrowly limited to serve its legitimate purposes. However, the Court is satisfied from the evidence that the Plaintiff has engaged in intentional acts of harassment over a period of many years; that the acts of the Plaintiff are not entitled to constitutional protection; that the ROA has no adequate remedy at law; and that unless the Court issues an injunction the conduct of the Plaintiff is likely to continue.

The Plaintiff is therefore enjoined from the following:

1. Publication in any manner or forum, including, but not limited to, the news media, letters to editors, community newsletters, and internet and blog postings of the name of the B Lazy M Ranch Owners Association, the names of its property owners, or the names of its past and present board members;

2. Publication in any manner or forum, including, but not limited to, the news media, letters to editors, community newsletters, and internet and blog postings alleging criminal conduct, civil wrongs, and mental and/or psychiatric conditions, which refer directly or indirectly to the B Lazy M Ranch, the B Lazy M Ranch Owners Association, its property owners, or its past and present board members;

3. Communication by any means, including but not limited to, e-mail, letter, telephone, or in person with any member of the B Lazy M Ranch Owners Association, its property owners, and its past and present board members which in any way alleges criminal conduct, civil wrongs, or mental or psychiatric conditions by any past or present board member of the B Lazy M Ranch Owners Association.

4. Because prohibition of future misconduct will not remedy the continuing harm which may result on the on-going publication on the internet or blogs of some of the defamatory statements identified by the Defendant, the following mandatory injunction shall also issue:

Within 15 days of this Order, the Plaintiff shall contact the American Homeowners Resource Center, the Gazette YourHub, and any other internet website or blog on which she has posted contributions and shall request that all postings made by her which identify or name the B Lazy M Ranch Owners Association, the names of its property owners, or the names of its past and present board members, be removed from said website or blog. Within 30 days of this Order, the Plaintiff shall file with the Court and provide copies to opposing counsel proof of compliance with this Order.

In order to preserve the Plaintiff's right to seek redress of any future grievances, if she believes that any present board member of the B Lazy M Ranch Owner's Association has violated any law or has acted in contravention of their duties as officers or directors, the Plaintiff shall first notify, in writing, the president of the B Lazy M Ranch Owner's Association of the alleged violation, describing in detail the facts which she believes constitutes the violation and the specific statute, duty, or common law which she alleges has been violated. The B Lazy M Ranch Owner's Association shall then have 30 days to respond in writing. If the Plaintiff is dissatisfied with the response, she may then petition the Court for permission to further publish information concerning the alleged violation. No publication which is otherwise prohibited above shall occur without prior court approval.

C. Attorney Fees

The Defendant also seeks recovery of its attorney fees. The Court has previously Ordered in Section 1 above that the Defendant is entitled to recover its attorney fees in defending the Plaintiff's complaint. The Court is also satisfied that the Defendant is entitled to recover its attorney fees in seeking an injunction both under the terms of the covenants (to assure quiet enjoyment) as well as the provisions of CCIOA which permit the award of attorney fees in covenant enforcement actions. However, the Defendant has not presented any authority for awarding attorney fees in libel claims. The primary purpose of the libel claim was to obtain an award of damages, not to enforce the covenants. See Colorado Homes, Ltd. v. Loerch-Wilson, 43 P.3d 718 (Colo. App. 2001). Accordingly, the Defendant is not entitled to recover its attorney fees incurred in pursuit of the libel action.

Within 20 days, the Defendant is Ordered to submit an affidavit in support of its claimed attorney fees, and if possible, separate from the total amount those fees incurred in the libel claim. If the Defendant is not able to separate those fees, the Court will make an determination.

If the Plaintiff requests a hearing on the reasonableness of the Defendant's fees, within ten days a request for hearing shall be filed.

So Ordered October 24, 2007.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
Please don't ever put me in that person's category.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
I got all the useful information from this site that I needed. You people think any one who questions authority or wants change is a Nazi or Communist. I moved into my community just over a year and half ago. While the community is safe and well maintained, there are improvements that can be made and it's really getting the community more involved. I didn't move here to hide behind my front door nor did I leave my rights at the gate when I arrived. I have the same ownership stake as any board member, and if I want to change anything, I need to run for the board, which I am. If some of the board don't want to change, then I will get other homeowners that want change involved. But, I will not just stand by and let them continue on the road they have chosen. Either lead, follow or get out of the way.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Richard,

I certainly do agree with your philosophy, no question about it. However, once on the board, you may find that the board members aren't doing anything out of sorts. Sometimes appearances aren't what they seem to be.

I do agree the manager should NOT be running the assn; that is definitely the job of the board members. If that is definitely happening with your BOD then perhaps some of the members who are unwilling to lead need to be changed. That can only happen if a majority of the members share your views.

I think it's very unfair of you to characterize the posters here as "Nazi's" or "Communists" simply because they are questioning your motives. You have to realize that a lot of people come on this forum complaining about their boards of directors. After asking for more info we sometimes find they really don't know what is going on; in actuality they are acting on suppositions and hearsay. A lot of time this stems from a board that is not adequately communicating with their members. In many instances the board isn't doing anything wrong. So, please know that just because we ask questions doesn't mean we don't believe you. I like to quote the old adage: "There are 3 sides to every story; yours, mine and the truth." On this forum, we only ever hear one side of the story, so we're really at your mercy. You shouldn't be offended that we want to get "your" complete story because it's the only one we're going to hear.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RichardP13 on 10/04/2009 7:25 PM
I got all the useful information from this site that I needed. You people think any one who questions authority or wants change is a Nazi or Communist. I moved into my community just over a year and half ago. While the community is safe and well maintained, there are improvements that can be made and it's really getting the community more involved. I didn't move here to hide behind my front door nor did I leave my rights at the gate when I arrived. I have the same ownership stake as any board member, and if I want to change anything, I need to run for the board, which I am. If some of the board don't want to change, then I will get other homeowners that want change involved. But, I will not just stand by and let them continue on the road they have chosen. Either lead, follow or get out of the way.

No, you don't over-react at all. uh uh, you're completely fair and reasonable and level headed. No one would ever accuse you of hyperbole and extreme rhetoric.

Um, by the way, you certainly did leave some rights at the gate. The covenants to which you agreed upon taking title lay out exactly which rights you have and don't have.

Now, getting that out of the way, "we can't fire you, you quit," right?

I mean, we tell people exactly the same thing you plan to do: If you don't like what is going on, if you want to make a change, then put your time/talent where your mouth is and get on the board.

Why on earth would you think we who post here regularly would not want concerned, motivated and active residents on boards? Those are exactly the ones that should be there. If that's what you are, then go for it.

Trust me, many of us started from the same position you're in right now.

One word of advice, though, you may want to check that itty bitty ego at the door. Even working from the "inside," it's easier to get things done working with people instead of against them.

By the way, the woman in that court case thought she was concerned, motivated and fair-minded, too. She didn't think she had a temper or didn't think she was over-reacting and felt that she was completely within her rights to wage the campaign against her board that she did. I know because I know her personally. She's a very intelligent, articulate and charming person. And she thought she didn't check her rights "at the gate" either.

Just sayin'. . .

JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RichardP13 on 10/04/2009 7:25 PM
I got all the useful information from this site that I needed. You people think any one who questions authority or wants change is a Nazi or Communist. I moved into my community just over a year and half ago. While the community is safe and well maintained, there are improvements that can be made and it's really getting the community more involved. I didn't move here to hide behind my front door nor did I leave my rights at the gate when I arrived. I have the same ownership stake as any board member, and if I want to change anything, I need to run for the board, which I am. If some of the board don't want to change, then I will get other homeowners that want change involved. But, I will not just stand by and let them continue on the road they have chosen. Either lead, follow or get out of the way.

"....
nor did I leave my rights at the gate when I arrived."

In fact that is exactly what you did by purchasing land with CC&Rs.
The USA constitution guarrantees you the right to waive your rights with a signature.

Let the debate begin.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnB26 on 10/06/2009 8:34 AM
Posted By RichardP13 on 10/04/2009 7:25 PM
I got all the useful information from this site that I needed. You people think any one who questions authority or wants change is a Nazi or Communist. I moved into my community just over a year and half ago. While the community is safe and well maintained, there are improvements that can be made and it's really getting the community more involved. I didn't move here to hide behind my front door nor did I leave my rights at the gate when I arrived. I have the same ownership stake as any board member, and if I want to change anything, I need to run for the board, which I am. If some of the board don't want to change, then I will get other homeowners that want change involved. But, I will not just stand by and let them continue on the road they have chosen. Either lead, follow or get out of the way.


"....
nor did I leave my rights at the gate when I arrived."

In fact that is exactly what you did by purchasing land with CC&Rs.
The USA constitution guarrantees you the right to waive your rights with a signature.

Let the debate begin.

Nope, John, I think we are all pretty much on the same page with this one.

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