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AndrewR1 (New Jersey)
Posts: 8
Posted:
I am new to this board and am finding it quite usefull.

I went to my first HOA meeting last month and boy was it a DISASTER!! I live in a modest 92 unit development and pay $151/month. There is absolutely no transparancy and maintenance and future repairs to or community is worrying me. Our management company prepared an analysis which showed a deficit of $1,700/unit if we had to take on all our repairs this year.

Here's my question we have contracted a management company for $18/year. We have also contracted a subsidiary of our management company to perform the grounds maintenance for $25/year. Should we have seperate vendors?

I also found out that the owner of the property management company was one of the past presidents of our board. Talk about transparent.

Being an accountnat I ripped apart their distributed budget to actual operating statement. I have some further questions as to presentation for anyone that can help.

Like many of you I am a concerned homeowner that needs more comfort than just writing a check and knowing the common area will be cut and a lifeguard will be on duty in the summer.

Riz
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Riz,

Does the owner of the property mgmt co live in your assn? The fact that he "was" a past board member is meaningless now. At the time it could have been a conflict of interest, but not knowing the whole story, it's hard to say. What is important is what is going on now. Are their irregularities that you are concerned about? If so, let us hear them.

TracieS (Colorado)
Posts: 460
Posted:
Are your amounts right? $18 per year for professional management and $25 per year for landscaping????????? Or is it $18 per HOME/UNIT/OWNER. Or, did you leave off the k ($18,000/year)?

I'd need more info before I could guess at any potential conflict.
TracieS (Colorado)
Posts: 460
Posted:
Oh, one more question...

Your management company prepared a reserve study? Is that what you meant when they estimated that you'd be in the hole by $1700/unit if you had to make all repairs now. Well, are ALL repairs needed to be made now?

I'd be interested in knowing if your management company charged you for the reserve study (if that's what it is), and how they arrived at their numbers on useful life left vs necessary repairs...

AndrewR1 (New Jersey)
Posts: 8
Posted:
No - was a previous owner who sold, moved out and subsequently acquired the management company. He has a relationship with the current President since they both servered on the board together.
AndrewR1 (New Jersey)
Posts: 8
Posted:
You are correct those amounts are in the thousands.
AndrewR1 (New Jersey)
Posts: 8
Posted:
I have to assume the management company prepared it as it was presented by previous account executive this past meeting. I don't think we were charged as the items looked like an excel sheet print out. To tell you the truth I'm not sure.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Did the board take bids for the maintenance work?

You say "we" hired a subsidary of the MC.

Who is the "we"? The board?

KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
As to who hired the companies - the Board did on behalf of the association. That is how associations are run.

As to the separate contracts for management and grounds maintenance it is normal. Generally (at least in this area) HOA management firms do not directly provide landscape services.

As for the amounts, well it is hard to say without knowing many more things, but we pay $5 a month per unit with 308 units. Part of the contract is that management company monitors the landscape company and of course pays their monthly invoice.

You Board should review the landscape contract and see if they can get a lower bid. I personally think such should be done every few years if for no other reason then to ensure that you are paying a fair rate.

I don't know what to tell you concerning the repairs that are needed. You should look for an accounting of what is needed. Also, you should have a "reserve fund." This fund should pay the major repairs to items. For instance if your HOA owns a house, then you know the roof will need replaced one day. The reserve fund should collect enough to have that money on hand when the day comes. Basically you pay for the wear and tear as it occurs.
TracieS (Colorado)
Posts: 460
Posted:
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Posted By AndrewR1 on 10/01/2009 6:21 PM
I have to assume the management company prepared it as it was presented by previous account executive this past meeting. I don't think we were charged as the items looked like an excel sheet print out. To tell you the truth I'm not sure.

I'd see if you can find out. My reserve study is in an excel spreadsheet, so I can play with the numbers..."If we raise assessments by this much, and go with this bid for a big reserve item, what will it look like then?" It's actually really nice to have it in excel.

I'd grill the MgtCo to find out how they arrived at their numbers. I mean, $1700/unit is pretty exact, so I don't think they were inputting ranges of repair prices (fencing replacement - $500 - $1000 depending on contractor/materials/finish/etc).

Also, I'd like to let you know that if my association had to make all necessary and recommended repairs, it would probably be a lot more than $1700/unit. BUT...we don't need to make them all today. We're phasing them in...triage like in the emergency room. I'm concerned about the future of my association, too, but I'm on the BOD, and I'm trying to get us at least pointing in the right direction. We got a reserve study done by a reputable company, and we're looking to the future.

Baby steps...baby steps.

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