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CaroleC1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 4
Posted:
We are a new H.O.A. recently taking over from the Developer/Builder. We have created our By-Laws and first set of Rules and Regulations, been incorporated by the State of S.C. for a Non-Profit Corp. I know we have to have our By-Laws filed at the Registry with our CCR's, but must we have the residents approval of the By-Laws before we file? It isn't that we want to 'hide' the by-laws, but realize that with the somewhat techinal jargon more discussion and questions may ensue than are necessary. Any thoughts?
Carole Coley
JanM (Texas)
Posts: 142
Posted:
By-laws are pretty generic, your CCR's are more specific but must coincide with the by-laws.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Carole, the By-laws can be amended to replace the "the somewhat techinal jargon" with clear concise language which can be understood.
CaroleC1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 4
Posted:
To be a little more specific in the question. This first BOD has created the By-Laws and Rules and Regs. Must the By-Laws be submitted to the membership (residents) for approval before filing at the Registry?
thanks
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Carole, your By-laws should state who must approve them. Usually they are approved by the members at a duly called members meeting. However, some By-laws state that they can be approved by the Board of Directors.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Carole, your By-laws should state who must approve them. Usually they are approved by the members at a duly called members meeting. However, some By-laws state that they can be approved by the Board of Directors.
SueS (Washington)
Posts: 5
Posted:
I thought that changes the Bylaws is an anmendment
to the CC&R and requires the vote of 2/3 of the
membership. Problem the owner than wants his Dues
change from 2lots to paying for 1 lot has many
friends in our Associaion.
ChadK (North Carolina)
Posts: 43
Posted:
Dues changed from 2 to one.....the same issued we had in our association.

It was decided after lengthy debate and research that it has to be 1= 1 due. 2 lots = 2 dues. However since the owner is paying for multiple lots then they have multiple votes in association affairs. Think of him as a stock holder in your non-profit corporation.

Also a point of interest...in the event of conflict between the governing documents the documents take precedent in the following order. State Laws governing planned communities,
The Declaration, the bylaws, the articles of incorporation.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Sue, amendments which change the By-laws co not amendment (change) the CC&Rs. An amendment to the CC&Rs would be required to change assessment requirements.

The owner with two lots and one home simply wants to pay less. It is not wise to change the CC&Rs to assess based on number of homes owned rather than to assess on each lot.
SueS (Washington)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Our CC&R is from 1977 and assessments are $24 per lot. Our Bylaw are from 1984 and were but together
by a few people who had no idea what they were doing. I still do not why we need both. What is
the difference between CC&R and Bylaws and what
do I need to do to fix both. Sue
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Sue, the CC&Rs and By-laws are separate and both are necessary. The Declaration of CC&Rs is the controlling document and is tied to your deed. The By-laws are used to setup the organizational structure of your association. Each document should contain provisions on how to amend that document.

The By-laws may require a simple majority of the MEMBERS voting at a duly called members meeting. Thus it is fairly easy to amend. The Declaration of CC&Rs may require approval (preferably written) of 2/3 of all OWNERS and the amendment(s) are not effective until filed with the County Clerk. It can (and should) be fairly difficult to amend.
JanM (Texas)
Posts: 142
Posted:
I am in a rural area and many owners have many lots. Most of these extra lots are empty but are connected. Our BOD wanted to pass an amendment where if you have 4 lots together, you would pay $20 for one and $10 for the other 3 but ONLY if they were connecting. Just an idea...
CharlesW1 (Georgia)
Posts: 826
Posted:
Carole,

I’ve been reading alone, and it’s seems you have been given some very good advice. I’m learning with every post. What Chad had posted is the way I feel it should be as well.

I’m a newly elected board member myself. I just found out that there is a gentleman that owned all the land the sub-division was build on, that had sold it all to the builder, with the exception of one lot(over grown with weeds). He sold enough land to divide into 275 lots. He wanted this to be for his daughter to be able to build a home of her own one day. Because he owns this lot he pays taxes on this undeveloped land. I’m sure it’s not as much as a developed piece of land. He also has to abide by the by-laws and CC&Rs. Meaning he does have the right to vote (according to our CC&Rs). He is generally current with his assessments and/or fines, but he isn’t even a resident in our community; however he is required to maintain the lot to avoid any fines.

My suggestion to Sue would be for every lot (occupied or not)should be required to pay assessments. I believe your CCRs will state that as well. I too agree with Roger, that the gentleman in your community may just want to pay less.

Chuck W.


Charles E. Wafer Jr.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Posted By JanM on 10/04/2006 12:00 AM
I am in a rural area and many owners have many lots. Most of these extra lots are empty but are connected. Our BOD wanted to pass an amendment where if you have 4 lots together, you would pay $20 for one and $10 for the other 3 but ONLY if they were connecting. Just an idea...

I think this is a bad idea. Each lot should pay the same amount or else you are inviting problems. Also, this is not a matter the Board can decide - it requires amending the Declaration.

JanM (Texas)
Posts: 142
Posted:
It was put to a vote for the homeowners and was voted down. It turned out that it would only benefit a few people, but at least we all had a say.
JudyB (Colorado)
Posts: 3
Posted:
We have the same problem. Some owners have a unit on 1 lot and some purchased 2 lots and built a larger unit, still other units were built on a 1 1/2 lots. These last units are not even the largest in the development where there are some free standing units of greater sq footage. These units do not consume any more services i.e. trash collection, insurance, or snow removal, therefore why should they pay more than anyone else? Also, would these owners be given 1.5 and 2 votes in any meeting? Curently everyone pays the same assessment. The Covenants specify assessments by lot but votes by unit. Any responses?
JohnP3 (Florida)
Posts: 1
Posted:
Is there a website to gather information or examples to amend condo docs? This property is in Daytona Beach, Florida. We want to change or amend condo declarations and need to follow the Florida law without haveing to spend big bucks on a lawyer. Thanks.

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