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BryanO (California)
Posts: 4
Posted:
A brief history...we are chaning landscpe contractors and have a brief window of time to complete construction. The Board hs done the following:

A) Four bids for the construction and landscape maintenance were received and evaluated.

B) Two of the bidding contractors were selected for and interviewed.

C) Those two contractors were asked to answer additional questions.

D) The board conducted a lengthy/exhaustive search and evaluation.

E)The board selected XXXXX at the September meeting for the construction project and continuing landscape maintenance

Out here in sunny California, our new contractor has recommended that we proceed with the project because the weather is mild and a November completion is nothing to worry about. This is based on his 35 years of experience.

So here's the problem. To try an expedite the project in October, there was an e-mail vote which needs to be unanimous in order to pass. One Board member refers to the Sunset Gardening book constantly and disagrees with the contractor and wants to wait until Spring to start the project.

The Board acts as Landscaping Committee. Do we need to have a vote to determine the project start date, or can we just communicate a start date based on our previous due diligence?
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
I would not move forward without a vote.

Why is calling a meeting for an in-person vote not feasible?

I'm confused as to why an email "vote" would need to be unanimous, but an in-person vote need only a simple majority?

BryanO (California)
Posts: 4
Posted:
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Posted By MicheleD on 09/29/2009 11:13 AM
Why is calling a meeting for an in-person vote not feasible?

I'm confused as to why an email "vote" would need to be unanimous, but an in-person vote need only a simple majority?


Logistically it's difficult to get a quorum and provide 4-days notice to our membership as required by law. Our next meeting is mid Oct, so we're trying to speed things up. Our property manager has referenced California law as the basis for a unanimous vote by e-mail, fax, or phone call.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Bryan, I suspect your property manager may be correct. But your Board could call a special Board meeting if necessary.

Colorado also has a related to taking action without a Board meeting. We just helped an HOA amend and restate their Bylaws; one item added was:
6.7 Action Taken Without a Meeting.
The Directors shall have the right to take any action in the absence of a meeting which they could take at a meeting if a notice stating the action to be taken and the time by which a Director must respond is transmitted in writing or via electronic transmission to each member of the Board and each Director, by the time stated, votes for or against, or abstains or fails to respond provided that no Director demands the action not be taken without a meeting. Any action so approved shall have the same effect as though taken at a meeting of the Directors. Such actions shall be recorded in the minutes of the next Board meeting.
MichaelK11 (Texas)
Posts: 432
Posted:
We've had other discussions, in which policy was suggested that action taken without meeting should require unanimous consent to go forward without a meeting.

While that's not the same as requiring unanimous approval of the action, anyone who wanted to oppose it could hypothetically insist on a meeting as an opposition tactic. Does the CA code explicitly require unanimous approval of action taken without a meeting, or did someone just conclude that's what it amounts to.

I have heard several stories about directors voting against an action in my own HOA, in which they were absent from or excluded from discussion and then just given the motion absent a meeting. In each case, whether intentionally or not, the motion was not clear as to the action, and the Director did not know of the actual action until they heard the real story later.

We don't have a policy requiring consent to voting without a meeting, and I think we need one. I think such policies should require unanimous, explicit consent (not just absence of objection). That should serve both sides in any dispute. In our case, all a Director can do is vote "no" as a protest. I think they should at least object clearly to the vote being taken without clear explanation.

For the OP, the fundamental issue is whether all Directors are fully informed and alerted to the vote. It's much easier to understand a discussion observed in person at a meeting, and to participate and ask questions. Since a meeting must be noticed, it's clear whether someone chose to participate -- they either attended or did not. Without a meeting, it's easy to miss a communication, to misunderstand, or even to pull a fast one.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
If the minutes showed that the board "selected" a particular company - after ALL those steps, then a motion was not needed to repeat the selection again. The motion was redundant.

Next time - get those motions done and recorded when a final decision is made at the meeting!

BryanO (California)
Posts: 4
Posted:
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Posted By SusanW1 on 09/29/2009 4:19 PM
If the minutes showed that the board "selected" a particular company - after ALL those steps, then a motion was not needed to repeat the selection again. The motion was redundant.


The acutal question is if a motion is necessary to establish a start date for the Construction given that the newly selected contractor recommends proceeding now, while a single Board member wants to wait until spring based on what was published in the Sunset Gardening book!
BryanO (California)
Posts: 4
Posted:
My bad!
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
The CONTRACT should outline the start/finish dates.

If the contractor wanst to change the start date by moving it up, then all the more power to you.

Here in Michigan, our nursery is busier in the fall than in the spring when it comes to planting, I imagine it's for the same reason in CA: root system gets a chance to establish.

Ignore the armchair "expert" - the plants should be guaranteed, anyway.

GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
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Posted By MicheleD on 09/29/2009 11:13 AM
I would not move forward without a vote.

Why is calling a meeting for an in-person vote not feasible?

I'm confused as to why an email "vote" would need to be unanimous, but an in-person vote need only a simple majority?


Michele, it's one of those quirky CA things.

Corporations Code ยง7211. Board Meetings; Notice; Quorum; Consent to Act Without Meeting

(b) Any action required or permitted to be taken by the board may be taken without a meeting, if all members of the board shall individually or collectively consent in writing to that action. The written consent or consents shall be filed with the minutes of the proceedings of the board. The action by written consent shall have the same force and effect as a unanimous vote of the directors. For the purposes of this section only, "all members of the board" does not include any "interested director" as defined in Section 5233, insofar as it is made applicable pursuant to Section 7238.

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MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Glen,

It's not just a "quirky" CA thing! The AZ nonprofit corp act has a statute, "Action without meeting" that says just about the same thing. An action may be taken w/o a meeting if the action is taken by ALL the directors. A written consent signed by each director, describing the action taken must be included in the minutes.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Are we sure we are interpreting this correctly?

I always thought that all the members had to agree to take the action, but that action could be a motion to vote on something.

In which case, everyone could agree to vote via email, but all do not have to have a unanimous vote about the motion.

In other words:

All agree to take on the action. Unanimous.

Action under consideration/motion: begin plantings in fall instead of spring. 4 yes, 1 no.

Motion passes.

In other words, all agreed that they didn't have to meet face-to-face. They can vote however they want on the action item under consideration.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Michele,

Note that the CA statute says "any action taken by the board" and the AZ statute has the very same wording. That means if an action is considered w/o a meeting all members of the board must agree to it.

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