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RickN (Florida)
Posts: 27
Posted:
Our BOD election is next month. I've researched our Statues and bylaws, even talked with a professional standard person. Can a manager influence people into voting one way or another? Seems to me a manager is in unique position and can in some way influence the outcome of the election. He/she would obviously favor the status quo while putting the competition in a disadvantage. Could this be considered election fraud if proven true? Would appreciate any thoughts on the subject.
Rick
CharlesW1 (Georgia)
Posts: 826
Posted:
Rick,

I don’t believe you would have anything to worry about. We just had our election and it went just fine. Each homeowner was given a ballot and on that ballot were the names of the candidates that were running for position. There were also open spaces for any “walk-ons”. If eligible to vote, homeowner got to choose the people h/she wanted to vote for. All were totaled and the person with the most votes was elected.

Chuck W.

Charles E. Wafer Jr.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
as long as coercion was not used, "telling someone how to vote" is covered under that little amendment to our Constitution, i think the first one.

WilliamT (Arizona)
Posts: 489
Posted:
Personally, I don't believe a property manager should be involved in campaigning for any board member. The MC is not a member of the community. The MC is contracted by the HOA to perform certain duties, and should only perform those duties.

Further, I would think it a conflict of interest for an MC to campaign for a board member(s)
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
BTW, i agree with william. I think it is incorrect for a property manager (company) to get involved with an election. However, should they do so, i cannot think of any legal/criminal issues, unless coercion were involved.

it's their right to have an opinion. i think they should keep it to themselves.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
BTW, i agree with william. I think it is incorrect for a property manager (company) to get involved with an election. However, should they do so, i cannot think of any legal/criminal issues, unless coercion were involved.

it's their right to have an opinion. i think they should keep it to themselves.
RickN (Florida)
Posts: 27
Posted:
Charles,
I appreciate your response. But, did your manager engage the residents and try to influence their vote? That's my question/concern.
RickN
RickN (Florida)
Posts: 27
Posted:
Brian,
Thanks for your response. Yes, I thought about the 1st Amendment, also. Yet, the manager is in a unique position. When I was President, I always insisted the manager maintain neutrality. I did not want anyone questioning the election itself. Maybe it's just an ethical issue. Thanks for sharing your opinion.
RickN
RickN (Florida)
Posts: 27
Posted:
Thank you William for your response. And yes, the way I see it, it puts any contending candidate in a disadvantage, only because the manager as you say is an employee. Unfortunately, nothing in our statues or bylaws addresses this issue. If the information is out there, I need to find it.
Thanks again.
RickN
RickN (Florida)
Posts: 27
Posted:
Thank you William for your response. And yes, the way I see it, it puts any contending candidate in a disadvantage, only because the manager as you say is an employee. Unfortunately, nothing in our statues or bylaws addresses this issue. If the information is out there, I need to find it.
Thanks again.
RickN
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Rick, any managing agent who engages in trying to influence voting is not acting in a professional manner. They should at the least be sanctioned by the Board; and if I was on the Board they better have a good record otherwise I would move to terminate their Agreement.
CharlesW1 (Georgia)
Posts: 826
Posted:
Rick,

Our property manager and his secretary were at the meeting to count the ballots. My wife was present so she could vote on behalf of the eligible members that didn’t show up. I and another board member went door to door collecting proxies, twice last week. We collected a total of 60 proxies. For these proxies to actually be used, my wife signed her name in the spot that says I hear by give (so and so) the right to vote in my behave, in the event I am not present to vote myself.

She received a ballot for every proxy she had so we knew how many votes we had before the election had even started. If any one has such an influence, I would it would be whoever brings the most proxies. H/she could then make certain that every proxy would vote for the person h/she wanted to vote for.

If h/she does any thing that influences a member’s choice to vote, I too would be very concerned. As Roger had said “any managing agent who engages in trying to influence voting is not acting in a professional manner. They should at the least be sanctioned by the Board; and if I was on the Board they better have a good record otherwise I would move to terminate their Agreement.”

If it should come to that then you can just terminate their agreement, simple as that!
Good luck keep us posted
Chuck W.

Charles E. Wafer Jr.
StuartW1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Hi Rick
Do you have any concrete proof that the manager is influecing voters? My concern for you here is that if you begin to accuse people without just cause then you are opening yourself to not only harassment charges but possibly a personal lawsuit putting all of your personal assets at risk!

I just answered another of your questions where you mention that the manager was fired 4 months ago and has not been replaced? Which is it? I am a little confused as to what you are trying to achieve here
and whether or not your behavior is professional and/or ethical by any means.
RickN (Florida)
Posts: 27
Posted:
How about a dozen people coming up to me and asking me why the "admin person in the office" was asking who they were voting for and telling them how they should vote. Would that qualify as concrete proof? And I do apologize. I keep referring to the person in the office as a manager. That is not correct. Though if you ask him/her, he/she would tell you they are a manager though they are not duly licensed to be a manager by Florida law.

What I'm trying to achieve here is a fair and neutral election for ALL candidates. An office person is in a unique position in that they are employees, and they should not interfere with HOA matters, something you might have a problem understanding. Maybe the office person is not breaking any laws, but most people would agree that employees discussing "who to vote for" squarely falls under the unethical category.

By the way, I come to this forum to ask questions and seek advise, and I find offensive your implication that my behavior may be unethical. So, I hope you'll understand me when I ask that if you want to make any more implications about me, that you keep them to yourself. Right now, I'm seriously questioning your intelligence.
BethG (California)
Posts: 6
Posted:
There may be a difference between telling people how to vote and informing them about the election and what it is for. Certainly, a manager that believes a measure proposed is beneficial for the community will have a hard time staying neutral. As for trying to influence a board election, I have certainly seen it happen, and understand why it happens, but it looks very unprofessional and unbusinesslike to see and hear a manager attempting to influence voters as to board candidates. A manager may have some insight as to whether a person running for the Board is or is not qualified to serve. The person may have been a chronic non paying owner or chronic violator of the rules and yet there is no mechanism to disclose this personal information to let the members know there may be a lack of disrespect for authority and structure. On the other hand, a new candidate may be a leader in a minority contingent who feels changes are needed, with good intentions and not deserving of biased criticism. By taking sides, and trying to influence voters, a manager may well be cutting their employment engagement short because as soon as the majority board makeup is changed, the manager may be ousted, left without a contract.

It is always best to be even-handed, diplomatic and businesslike if you are providing services to an Association, so that you gain respect and trust as a provider of services to the Association. Unfortunately, the reality is that people forget that, especially in the heat of a contested election. It's not easy to hide biases either. A manager who is following allegiances often finds themselves the target of disdain, and it goes downhill from there.

Beth Grimm
Attorney (CA)
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RickN (Florida)
Posts: 27
Posted:
Thank you Beth for our insight on this subject. It seems the consensus is: althought no laws are being broken and we do have and honor the 1st Amendment to our Constitution, any attempt to influence an election by any office personnel is improper and skirts on the subject of unethical. It also brings into question the election results themselves since these office people control the ballots. Office personnel need to stay neutral throughout. You bring up a good point though, most residents don't really know who these candidates are. Are they well intended people, or habitual delinquents. So I will ask the question. Can a candidate who has failed to pay a $1,000 fine be allowed to run for office? So far, I have not seen anything in our docs or the statutes which addresses the subject.
Thank you for your time
RickN
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Rick, regarding delinquent accounts you could request presenting and voting on an amendment to your By-laws. It could state something like this:
"Members who are not in good standing shall not be allowed to vote at any meetings of the Association or the Board. Any member not in good standing may be a candidate for the Board of Directors. Any member of the Board of Directors, including officers, who becomes delinquent in their assessments for over 30 days shall automatically be removed from the Board of Directors."
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Posted By RogerB on 10/15/2006 8:38 AM
Rick, regarding delinquent accounts you could request presenting and voting on an amendment to your By-laws. It could state something like this:
"Members who are not in good standing shall not be allowed to vote at any meetings of the Association or the Board. Any member not in good standing may be a candidate for the Board of Directors. Any member of the Board of Directors, including officers, who becomes delinquent in their assessments for over 30 days shall automatically be removed from the Board of Directors."


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