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AlexL1 (Florida)
Posts: 305
Posted:
If at a board meeting, the president, who does not like one of its members, decides at the meeting to just kick him/her out, can this be done...if kicked out by the president, should that person go or stay... or call the police??
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
If the Board member is being disruptive to the meeting then yes the president has the power to ask them to leave, if they refuse the meeting should be suspended and authorities called to remove them; then resume the meeting. If the president does it just because of "bad blood" between the two of them then no it's improper and the rest of the BOD should step in. A motion to remove the person from the position of president would be in order.

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MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Alex,

Exactly what do you mean by "kick out"? Are you saying the Pres told the board member to leave the meeting or are you saying the Pres removed this board member from the board?

As Glen says, a board member or even an assn member, may be asked to leave a meeting (board meeting or member meeting) if they become disruptive. But, as for removing a board member from his position that would depend upon what your bylaws say. Most only allow the board to remove a board member from their officer position on the board; to be removed from the board altogether requires a vote of the members. However, there are a few assn bylaws that do allow the board to remove a board member from the board. But, regardless of what your bylaws say, this is not an action that the Pres alone should undertake; it should require a majority vote of the board members.
KyleB (Ohio)
Posts: 17
Posted:
I am constantly amazed at the actions of officiers at board meetings . Owners have no right to complain about anything. The board members say nothing about the actions of the president. The Board stonewalls everything. There is no transparency for anything the board does. The manager runs the election in violation of the By-Laws.Counts the votes and proxies. Its no wonder that board members bond with the manager.It`s no surprise the manager abscounds with monies. No oversight creates an athmosphere of complancey that creates doubt in the minds of the owners. Unforunately to resolve the The removal of a Board member you may have to refer to the By-Laws or the state law. If nothing is found Then a court action may be necessary. Unfortunatly I have found the board will go to court and spend your money rather than admit that they are wrong kyleB
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Kyle - those statements seem like generalizations and don't fit how most HOAs operate.

RickW (Illinois)
Posts: 169
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KyleB on 09/29/2009 9:25 AM
I am constantly amazed at the actions of officiers at board meetings . Owners have no right to complain about anything. The board members say nothing about the actions of the president. The Board stonewalls everything. There is no transparency for anything the board does. The manager runs the election in violation of the By-Laws.Counts the votes and proxies. Its no wonder that board members bond with the manager.It`s no surprise the manager abscounds with monies. No oversight creates an athmosphere of complancey that creates doubt in the minds of the owners. Unforunately to resolve the The removal of a Board member you may have to refer to the By-Laws or the state law. If nothing is found Then a court action may be necessary. Unfortunatly I have found the board will go to court and spend your money rather than admit that they are wrong kyleB

Really Kyle,
Please come linve in my association...90% of our owners would never knwo if what you say is happening or not because of their lack of involvement. I'd like nothing more than to have an owner such as yourself to ask questions. They would see and find that owners have every right to complain as long as it pertains to a violations of our deed and rules and regulations. They would have the opportunity to see how the board, all volunteers anaylze and review all decisions before making a decision and do this, more times than not, with urgency. If they attended our meetings or asked questions they would see they have the ability to ask for copies of meeting minutes, theyw ould see we have worked to set up a website where all rules, regulations, deed, guidelines, forms of any kind are posted for their review and use. If they attended a board meeting they would hear the boards discussion regarding a financial audit just completed. If they attended board meeting or filled out their proxies, they would see and understand how the election is run and would also find knowledge of where and how to proceed if they felt the election was run improperly. If the homeowners would attend meetings and read their documents they would understand that they are the oversight of the board.

You really have made terrible generalizations. Maybe, the board in which you live under is not for you, maybe it is one of those rogue boards and needs to be replaced. Or, maybe, you are not the type of person who can live under association rule. There is nothing wrong with that unless you are not willing to realize it and move on.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Alex,
If at a board meeting, the president, who does not like one of its members, decides at the meeting to just kick him/her out, can this be done...if kicked out by the president, should that person go or stay... or call the police??
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The President has no authority to kick a board member off or anything else else. If this should happen I suggest the Member leave the building after notifying the Board of his objection, demand that a full hearing of this incident be heard in Executive Session and this be included in the minutes.

I would then go home write a registered letter to the President, copy the Board members and the association lawyer and re-state the incident and demand a public apology from the Board and from the President. If this brings no result I would sue the association and all the Board members and the President personally.

If you respond verbally in any way to this absurd action, you become part of the problem. IMHO

KyleB (Ohio)
Posts: 17
Posted:
These are not generalizations. I have lived in a condo for 14 years and this is how the Board operates . They stonewall everything . Our manager is now charged with embezzlement. The president has resigned. Prior to resigning the President and other members of the Board removed elected members .In Ohio. no state law or our By-Law allows these actions . Only 3 valid members on Board . Yet the Pseudo Board is acting as if they are properly seated. They listen to no one. They tell us they are checking the Legality of the Board standing .and have indicated that they will resolve this issue but continue to raise dues, assess fines and violate the will of the owners.. An Expensive court action sometimes is the only solution .KyleB
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
No, Kyle, people are saying while this may be true for you, by applying your singular experience to all HOAs and boards, you are "generalizing" your experience out to the larger population, which isn't very fair.

Even we can't really generalize our own experiences here out to all HOAs. We have an extremely narrow pool of forum contributors, considering how many Homeowners Associations exist in the country.

I know in my municipal area alone there are hundreds. And I've only personally met board members from about 10 or 15 other local boards.
KyleB (Ohio)
Posts: 17
Posted:
To all. These are not generaliziations. Just look at the questions that are being asked by the respondents. I am familiar with several associations and they are experiencing the same concerns kyleB
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Well, not to get into a tit-for-tat, but it's still a generalization.

I'm sorry you're experiencing such things, and it's not unusual for some other HOAs to have issues, especially since most boards are populated by volunteers who very likely don't have any "career" experience in administrating in an association.

It's also not unusual for extreme cases to make it to the news.

But it's also true that a vast majority of associations are run just fine.

That's all we were saying.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Kyle,
How can you take the responses to these issues to be generalizations? This thread asked a question, it seems to me it was answered. I don't think anyone doubts the veracity of the problem as asked. Because some of the responses included an opinion of the big picture does not suggest specific issues don't exist. But the nature of the beast (this site) is that we are more likely to hear about problems than contentment or satisfaction. All here seemed to be aware that satisfaction may just be a matter of owners not caring, but we can't change that except to make an effort to raise owner awareness one step at a time.
KyleB (Ohio)
Posts: 17
Posted:
Michael, These are not volunteers. These people formulate a resume to gain a board position. They want to be on the Board for some reason. Love flowers, Want to make it a better place to live. No agenda just bored with nothing to do and no business experience and the apathy of the owners permit them to be elected. KyleB
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Kyle,
If you add profit into the mix and a lot of prestige you would be talking about Politicians.

You volunteer remark will draw some fire. But all in all it probably is a mix.

What I would like to read are suggestions on how to make the process better and some advice on how to address owner apathy. It is strange but after reading so many posts you would think some "triggers" would stand out as fingers pointing at a problem. All I can surmise is that this apathy seems to be born with the association and the first set of homeowners. I also believe the turnover from developer sets the stage and his legacy seems to just go on and on. Once something starts in an association, whether it be bad developer, bad board, bad manager or M/C, the carry over from that just marches along unless some few smart homeowners step up to plate. They must be proactive and determined to right the ship.........and some can get the job done. My condo association is getting better, but it took years to even start the process, now, we are moving in the right direction, way to go yet.
TracieS (Colorado)
Posts: 460
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KyleB on 10/02/2009 5:34 AM
Michael, These are not volunteers. KyleB

DO THEY EARN MONEY????
1. If they earn money, it's probably a violation.
2. If they don't earn money, THEY ARE VOLUNTEERS!

Kyle, You seem to want to vent, so I do recommend that you start a new thread, fill a post with all your venting, AND THEN ASK HOW WE CAN HELP. Otherwise, you're just venting, and not looking for any type of constructive advice/input.

BTW - I like flowers, too.
TracieS (Colorado)
Posts: 460
Posted:
AND...I ran for a board position, SO I COULD MAKE MY COMMUNITY BETTER...just like you said your BOD did. What's the problem?
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Seriously, Tracie, totally agree with you.

Kyle, it's Michele (female) not Michael (male).

And Tracie is absolutely correct.

Volunteers are not paid.

These people VOLUNTEER their time, energy and talents (and sometimes resources) to serve on their association boards.

I have no idea what having a "resume" has to do with negating one's status as "volunteer."

Are you telling me that they are conscripted against their will? That's the only other option if they are not "paid."

KyleB (Ohio)
Posts: 17
Posted:
Michele, If you don`t understand the difference between a resume to run for election and a volunteer there can be no discussion. I will see if I can volunteer for the board. kyleb
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Kyle, I'm sorry, one doesn't have a darn thing to do with the other.

There is apparently some fundamental lack of knowledge of what a volunteer is and what a resume is on your part. I have a complete and thorough understanding of both.

I have a resume that I use, not only to provide to potential clients, but to use for all the boards on which I volunteer.

It provides not only my career history and experience, but my volunteer history and experience as well.

Some people call it a bio, too.

Having a "resume" or providing one for a position has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not the position for which one is applying is a paid position or not.

My question to you is, do you understand what a resume is? Do you understand what a volunteer is?

MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Kyle, it just occurred to me:

Are you confusing the act of running for the board, the act of getting "elected" with whether or not a person is a "volunteer" or not?

Because if you are, you are still incorrect.

Politicians who are elected to a political office are not considered "volunteers" because the vast majority of political offices are paid positions.

One must be "elected" by the members of the association or corporation to a board of directors. In the case of HOA boards, that position is NOT a paid position, so it all the directors are therefore volunteers. They are providing their time and talents free of charge.

Hope that clears it up for you and that you can get over that one little hangup you have about a volunteer having a resume.

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